tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post1677328167982203851..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: An NCR Editorial Speaks Truth About The LA Archdiocesan Leadership--Or Lack There OFcolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-75248822672620510582013-02-03T22:54:18.303-07:002013-02-03T22:54:18.303-07:00The operate out of a false self paradigm and don&#...The operate out of a false self paradigm and don't understand that so many others see what they consider strength to be strong like brittle plastic. One that is cracking everywhere.rdp46noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-50489156175243501742013-02-03T12:07:05.456-07:002013-02-03T12:07:05.456-07:00I agree Fran, but it's not just OD. They just...I agree Fran, but it's not just OD. They just happen to be in the ascendance at the moment. Pope Benedict actually is more fond of the Communion and Liberation movement, but any conservative group which stresses obedience is fine by him.<br /><br /><br />I think it's interesting that it is the liberal Mahony who is castigated by Gomez, and yet not one US bishop said one word about the OD ordained Finn who actually was convicted.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-88523883452024599252013-02-03T12:04:04.273-07:002013-02-03T12:04:04.273-07:00I think the core problem is the powers that be can...I think the core problem is the powers that be can't fathom operating out of a relational paradigm that doesn't include some aspect of dominance and submission. Until they can do that, Catholics are never going to experience a spiritual relationship with their leadership that isn't both dehumanizing and infantilizing.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-86418948465027038212013-02-03T11:56:12.814-07:002013-02-03T11:56:12.814-07:00I don't know that Cdnl Mahony was ever license...I don't know that Cdnl Mahony was ever licensed as an MSW and so I am not sure he actually was a mandated reporter. Irrespective of that, there was a moral obligation to report criminal activity to the authorities.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-5444042189736562592013-02-03T11:11:51.584-07:002013-02-03T11:11:51.584-07:00"Don't believe that the Church will chang..."Don't believe that the Church will change at all from inside." I do believe in miracles, however, it is not happening in the RCC leadership. The miracle that is going on, however, is that there are many who do hear the Holy Spirit and they are either kicked out of the Church or they are walking away. <br /><br />The RCC is changing and has been changing for the worst from the inside to an ever apparent OD uncatholicized institution and more people will find it to be oppressive enough to search for a community of believers, as you say, to continue on their spiritual journey as a truth seeker and/or they will give up on the notion in cynical &/or angry reaction to the blight in the church that they witness. This RCC leadership under PBXVI has chosen a suicide route in contradiction to Christ's message to bring His Light into the world which creates new Life, Hope and Love in His People & that is reflected in the rest of the world as Peace. This hierarchy serves the interest of mammon. One cannot serve two masters.<br /><br />Truth seekers cannot stay in a Church or any institution in alliance with leadership that has & continues to deliberately and intentionally fail to protect children from the evil of raping children and failing to report these heinous crimes to the police, even after they said they would. Who can trust such men with the 'salvation of their souls' while their children are raped & their souls raped too? <br /><br /><br />Those like-minded to OD will stay in the RCC. They will take an oath to be in obedience to the magisterium, to men in alliance with the sole interest of the immediate gain of mammon or the pleasure of power and prestige for themselves. That power and prestige is diminishing as I type though. They cannot win this battle, for surely I believe that Jesus is resurrected and His truth goes marching on.<br /><br />Who can trust such men to teach them about anything having to do with Jesus after such a scandal & the continued lies from various church officials who no doubt continue like Gomez to try to hide the facts of these crimes against children? <br /><br />This problem of raping children by priests will not change from the inside either under the direction of this Pope and OD fundamentalist types. Even those who remain will suffer the consequences of following in lockstep and solidarity with an evil and corrupt institution that willfully deceives to selfishly maintain its status & narcissistic lifestyle in the world.Fran Schultzhttp://twitter.com/Fran_Schultznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-62570578916866859812013-02-03T08:02:35.161-07:002013-02-03T08:02:35.161-07:00As an MSW AND a priest he is a mandated reporter. ...As an MSW AND a priest he is a mandated reporter. he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.mgardenernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-50274430631304065242013-02-03T06:59:46.750-07:002013-02-03T06:59:46.750-07:00Don't believe that the Church will change at a...Don't believe that the Church will change at all from inside. Those that want to remain Catholic and not part of the cult of Opus Dei will drop the Roman leadership and follow Old Catholic leadership or become Protestants. At one time the RCC was very close to the recognition of Lutherans (recognized all of Luther's thesis), Anglicans, and Methodists. In Orange County, CA., There is a very high ratio of ordained former RCC priests to parishioners in the Ecumenical Catholic Church which is really part of the Old Catholic structure. The independent catholic movement is much more dependent upon what the laity needs because there is not yet so much money pushed into it by those that wish to control. Most of its former RCC priests are married, a fact that changes the tenor of the organization's clerical structure. There are women priests in this organization as well women clerics in the above Protestant organizations. Of course the pall the organizations mentioned above also have conservative wings, some so conservative that they resemble the current OD controlled RCC. <br /><br />What is really seems to be happening is that very many former RCC members, who so idealized the RCC and its clergy, have lost their respect for Clerical structures all together. This is the majority of the "once catholics" in the United States and in Europe. Many, however, have not given up their spirituality and even their catholic identities, but are struggling to find means of expression. They feel that the Institutional churches of all denominations esp. the RCC have lost their way completely and have even become an evil in our society. When I see Christians worship at the thrown of pro life and state that birth control pills cause abortions, I see that they have thrown out completely the scientific underpinnings of the struggle for more truth in society. These "Christians" attempt to snow us with the ideas that there is no scientific or cultural evolution. They are failing miserably and so are the structures based in Christianity because they fail to look for more truth. They fail to listen to the HOly Spirit. This is ruination for these organizations. They no longer are really Christian following the radical ideas of loving enemies ---- the ethic proposed by Jesus Christ. They fail to follow the ethical revelations (revolution) of the man who they have declared their founder. They fail to admit that our knowledge of truth is not absolute but is ever growing. To the educated eye, these religions have become nothing more than out dated mythology and even worse mythology than those produced by the Romans and Greeks. dennisrdp46noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-35243506587706584962013-02-03T01:59:25.990-07:002013-02-03T01:59:25.990-07:00Colleen, you've written a very apt description...Colleen, you've written a very apt description of the situation. Gomez sat on the case until the absolute end and he's just blowing smoke now.<br /><br />Mahony has had the real life of clerical entitlement for so long. So too has the Pope and his Opus Dei cronies. They are acting more like mobsters than priests. <br /><br />The "Taj Mahony" awaits Roger & Gomez, a shrine and mausoleum that tells the story of power gone amok in our time in our Church. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Our_Lady_of_the_Angels <br /><br /> Lots of money spent by Mahoney during his tenure of covering up sex abuse of children and the outrageous sum of $189 million for his own mausoleum shrine, while the poor went hungry or starved to death. What a mockery to the angels of the Lord. I just think about the oh so many who were denied even a chance to live by the reckless diversion of money to this building and on protecting in a criminal manner the pedophile priests. It is not pro-life at all. 'The Church' is OD-ing with the wrong & sinful sort of powers in power. Much change is needed for sure to put a stop to this type of leadership and priesthood.Fran Schultzhttp://twitter.com/Fran_Schultznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-27161477374938893212013-02-02T20:38:16.246-07:002013-02-02T20:38:16.246-07:00Don, I agree with your comment, but I also think t...Don, I agree with your comment, but I also think that truly Finn's attack on the NCR is one OD Bishop giving another OD Archbishop time to cover his butt. Gomez has been the Archbishop of LA for two years. He's had plenty of time to speak to Mahony's mistakes before the LA Times forced the release of these current files. I really think the whole agenda is to isolate and burn those bishops whose acts and/or spoken words impinge on the 'all sacred priesthood'. Cardinal Mahony most definitely acted on the same orders as Gomez--- protect the idea of the sacredotal priesthood no matter who you have to burn. Mahony is not much different than any victim of any other priest.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-89379236957512721382013-02-02T20:30:36.753-07:002013-02-02T20:30:36.753-07:00I don't think OD can afford to recognize a lar...I don't think OD can afford to recognize a larger Church. Way too much money behind the cult.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-14042101728947779052013-02-02T20:26:43.693-07:002013-02-02T20:26:43.693-07:00Wild, I don't care if you switch your picture ...Wild, I don't care if you switch your picture because my own Disqus photo confuses a lot of people. It's amusing to me how many men want to argue me as if I was a 'confused' male. The truth is I've had eye lense replacement surgery and need to have sun glasses always available, and as a teaching professional golfer, putting them on top of a hat works best for me--even in my current profession.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-59660637784846738382013-02-02T19:17:19.536-07:002013-02-02T19:17:19.536-07:00Amen. I don't think the OD people will ever ab...Amen. I don't think the OD people will ever abandon their faith in Gomez or Finn, even as the larger Church implodes around them.khughes1963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-52173578928872586292013-02-02T18:45:56.689-07:002013-02-02T18:45:56.689-07:00In my opinion, Finn did his piece about NCR to tes...In my opinion, Finn did his piece about NCR to test the waters. He has been silent on anything of substance since his conviction. He is trying to reinvigorate his conservative base, in this diocese. The diocese is hurting for money and some of these conservatives are loaded. He wants to pick their pocket and what better way than to dig up the old chestnut about NCR. This whole NCR thing was settled 40 years ago by Bishop Helmsing. NCR is an independent newspaper. It is not a diocesan newspaper. It can have "Catholic" in its title if it wants to. The last two Bishops had no problem with NCR publishing its newpaper. <br />I also do not think that Finn is smart enough to cook a deal with Gomez. As one of his dearly departed priests said to me after Finn came to the diocese, "he's not a very smart guy."Don Westnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-66178435042789816992013-02-02T15:38:17.744-07:002013-02-02T15:38:17.744-07:00I was already suspicious and cynical as I read the...I was already suspicious and cynical as I read the NCR piece. I wondered what could have motivated Gomez. I think you have put your finger on it, the Opus Dei connection. Now that is frightening. These are the guys in ascendency in benedict's church. <br /><br />I totally agree with your conclusion: "Nothing is going to change until there is a completely different authority structure in the Church." Yes, the concept of the priesthood is going to need to change also. In my more hopeful moments, I think it will happen.<br /><br />Since you have switched to Disqus I will need to update my picture. That supposedly is my face painted on to some official portrait of some bishop of Chicago. I owe it to loving friends.wild hairhttp://www.wildhair95.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com