tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post2007128384330913923..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: When Criminalizing Abortion Becomes The Litmus Test For Real Catholicism The Baby Really Has Been Thrown Out With The Bathwatercolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-34779118333949179292010-02-01T22:47:22.567-07:002010-02-01T22:47:22.567-07:00## The Abortion Act of 1967 in the UK was passed b...## The Abortion Act of 1967 in the UK was passed because criminalising abortion merely drove it underground, leading to coat-hanger abortions. At least the mother is not killed now - which is better than losing both child and mother. <br /><br />Legal abortion in the UK is a very unsatisfactory solution, but it is less unsatisfactory than killing mother as well as child.Rat-biternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-75313451588631299642010-01-01T20:49:49.377-07:002010-01-01T20:49:49.377-07:00dtedac I really hate to have to say this, but I th...dtedac I really hate to have to say this, but I think Rabbi Shapiro has a legitimate point. I keep wondering when some of these pro lifers, who are also anti semitic and homophobic and white supremacists, are going to realize that some fetuses are born Jews and gay and not caucasian. Does something magic happen at birth that then makes these previously innocent fetuses not worth of Catholic concern any longer?colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-88971050880824449682010-01-01T18:14:22.997-07:002010-01-01T18:14:22.997-07:00Colleen - I could not agree with you more. I am al...Colleen - I could not agree with you more. I am always reluctant to use the term pro-life in self-description as it has been horribly coopted.<br /><br />And as the other commenters have duly noted - the regard for life is rather selective.<br /><br />The whole thing makes me ill. Your posts, as always, are tonic for the weary soul.Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181529277715646835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-45597839504059856702010-01-01T16:29:46.231-07:002010-01-01T16:29:46.231-07:00I follow the blog of Rabbi Rami Shapiro and he had...I follow the blog of Rabbi Rami Shapiro and he had a commentary a couple days ago about Pius XII and how his progress towards canonization shows that our hierarchy is no friend of the Jews. I have to agree, and what got me was the title of his blog entry: Which is more valuable: a fetus or a Jew? Unfortunately, I think that the attitude of Deal Hudson et al seems to indicate that we are making horrible value judgments which seem to prefer one over the other.dtedachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16515969793060325169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-27543593536980692802010-01-01T13:31:51.040-07:002010-01-01T13:31:51.040-07:00Hi Khughes, If you are in facebook you can find me...Hi Khughes, If you are in facebook you can find me there. Or, send your contact info to Colleen and she can forward to me.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-72290788795668263792010-01-01T12:58:32.462-07:002010-01-01T12:58:32.462-07:00Two other things-
Robert George is in the running...Two other things-<br /><br />Robert George is in the running for Frank Cocozzelli's annual "Coughie" award, and Deal Hudson might be an appropriate candidate with all his bloviating.<br /><br />o/t-Butterfly, I am interested in your music-any way to reach you on this?khughes1963https://www.blogger.com/profile/16118365554189078448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-44357082206009890482010-01-01T12:56:15.589-07:002010-01-01T12:56:15.589-07:00I've a new piece of music entitled Rebirth up ...I've a new piece of music entitled Rebirth up at several of the websites. Happy New Year Everyone!butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-10635751624591691912010-01-01T12:48:04.402-07:002010-01-01T12:48:04.402-07:00Amen to all the comments. I think the Catholic Rig...Amen to all the comments. I think the Catholic Right is acting out the concept that "biology is destiny" and continuing the politicization of the hierarchy as a distraction from the very real failures of the institutional Church leadership. I think they believe if they shout for "protection of all life" loud enough, we'll forget the complete compromise of the hierarchy's moral witness. It isn't going to happen.<br /><br />That being said, I think those of us who post here and disagree with the "real vs. fake Catholic" straitjacket have a duty to witness against these false dichotomies.khughes1963https://www.blogger.com/profile/16118365554189078448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-7980815582785856672010-01-01T12:37:55.201-07:002010-01-01T12:37:55.201-07:00The "pro-life" movement is a sham. Unti...The "pro-life" movement is a sham. Until they are for making slave wages illegal, making poverty illegal, making starvation and malnutrition and lack of medicine illegal, I won't believe them. <br /><br />Until they are for shutting down & making it illegal to manufacture and sell nuclear weapons, I will never believe they are pro-life.<br /><br />As long as they focus on the issue of abortion as a litmus test for "real" Catholicism, the issues they ignore will become larger and larger and hit them over the head with the reality of the dangers of ignoring these life issues that help create the circumstances for a culture of death to exceed that of a culture of life.<br /><br />If the idea was to truly create a culture of life, then why don't they get down to the business of creating a culture of life? All they are doing with this abortion issue is obliterating the chance for life to be lived at its fullest. It is a stingy and selfish way to go about being "pro-life." <br /><br />The kind of "pro-life" we need is not more punishment, but the kind of encouragement needed to create a world that would focus more on the positives. The negatives will always be with us, but if we dwell in them we only live in the negative and never transcend into the positive.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-43355931544409439892010-01-01T11:59:38.360-07:002010-01-01T11:59:38.360-07:00The archbishop of Kampala(Uganda) wants the govern...The archbishop of Kampala(Uganda) wants the government to go after the priests who marry-another example of criminalizing anyone who disagrees with the RC Church and their friends. The criminalization of gays with draconian sentences is something the Uganda bishops-and the Vatican- supported by their silence. Do the American bishops hope for the same government control over abortion in the US? They are clear that criminalizing abortion is more important that preserving life through health care. Better millions of children, men and women should die than a potential abortion paid for by health care. I am old enough to remember what happened when abortion was illegal. It was brutish and ugly.<br />What is pro-life anyway? As you said Coleen, it appears to end at birth.coolmomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-83336983087957487572010-01-01T10:36:09.691-07:002010-01-01T10:36:09.691-07:00Fran the thing that gets me is there is no concern...Fran the thing that gets me is there is no concern on the virulent pro life side about the fact that their philosophy also forces too many children into horrific life sentences.<br /><br />They would never conceive of forcing a criminal to a life of abject abuse and a state of poverty which insures no roof, no food, no medicine, no sanitation, no nothing, no release. For God's sakes we build prisons to insure our criminals have all of the above. <br /><br />But children, no such a deal is made for them. The only issue is forcing their mother to have them.<br /><br />After birth the truth is many of these children would be better off in one of our prisons than with their mothers.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-89808814002009348872010-01-01T09:55:18.337-07:002010-01-01T09:55:18.337-07:00Real and fake Catholic. These distinctions - made ...Real and fake Catholic. These distinctions - made by those who would reject, make me insane.<br /><br />I just commented at your other post from the other day... To reiterate, what do people think will happen if abortion becomes criminalized?<br /><br />The January 2010 issue of US Catholic has an interesting article about the abortion rights battle in Europe. It is worth reading - a very different scenario.<br /><br />This matter brings out the worst in me. I am actually far more pro-life than not. That said, I find the pro-life movement very not focused on life, but rather on control and power.<br /><br />As a woman who was abused as a girl, I have lots of thoughts about abortion (no I have not ever had one) and the whole concept of "it is my body" that drives much of this battle. It has been hard to articulate what I want to say about it. Please pray that I can do it at some point.Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181529277715646835noreply@blogger.com