tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post2196669537550850995..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Sr Brigid Speaks Her Mind About Ratzinger And His Ideas About American Sisterscolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-22316723352036819512012-05-20T13:41:47.254-06:002012-05-20T13:41:47.254-06:00...?
Impressive non-sequitur!...?<br /><br />Impressive non-sequitur!Invictus_88https://www.blogger.com/profile/03446202385252763436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-64420293211948000962012-05-13T22:12:50.689-06:002012-05-13T22:12:50.689-06:00Your statement reeks with sexism. Thank you. You h...Your statement reeks with sexism. Thank you. You have again shown how your institution is not interested in healing the sins of sexism and marginalization of women.T'Pelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14497973041430354008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-11901233720505817402012-05-13T16:15:29.277-06:002012-05-13T16:15:29.277-06:00So, the Christian call to love and charity for all...So, the Christian call to love and charity for <i>all</i> one's fellow humans has been superceded by some divine revelation specific to a woman named Veronica?<br /><br />You had better rush to spread this new gospel of un-charity, I don't know how Christendom will cope without it!!Invictus_88https://www.blogger.com/profile/03446202385252763436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-33964209649196359882012-05-12T15:43:00.599-06:002012-05-12T15:43:00.599-06:00It's just about what a priest is. You need a p...It's just about what a priest is. You need a priest for X, so if someone ain't a priest, they can't do X. Want a baby, you need a woman. Can't be a male nun, or a female monk, because that <i>is what they are</i>.<br /><br />Definitely agree, it'd be cool if we had enough vocations that parishes were less stretched in rural areas...but ordaining priest-esses wouldn't work there. For one, it's not really compatible with the faith. For another, in religious groups who have women in that sort of role, there are still parish pressures as great as there are for the Catholic Church.<br /><br />The Church has responded to a need though, with the institution of EMHCs.Invictus_88https://www.blogger.com/profile/03446202385252763436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-51403007993660286852012-05-12T15:43:00.282-06:002012-05-12T15:43:00.282-06:00No charity is needed for a man who seeks to replac...No charity is needed for a man who seeks to replace my conscience with his assumed authority.<br />VeronicaT'Pelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14497973041430354008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-48519435909954703572012-05-12T15:37:12.077-06:002012-05-12T15:37:12.077-06:00...er.
Not sure where to start with that one.
&q......er.<br /><br />Not sure where to start with that one.<br /><br />"<i>leadership of a fascist dictator octogenarian</i>"?<br /><br />He's still a man, just a person like the rest of us. Where's your charity? How did it get so...dried up?Invictus_88https://www.blogger.com/profile/03446202385252763436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-42954424318999930812012-05-11T15:48:54.396-06:002012-05-11T15:48:54.396-06:00And another thing, I'm not a scholar like you ...And another thing, I'm not a scholar like you are or a doctor like some people here. Go pick on somebody else your own size you bully. I have had it up to my eyeballs with smart asses like you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-83762406884991917112012-05-11T15:27:06.744-06:002012-05-11T15:27:06.744-06:00The Vatican is not the Church, it is a palace that...The Vatican is not the Church, it is a palace that should be a museum, and the People of God who are the Church are currently under the leadership of a fascist dictator octogenarian who lives there should resign and his name is Pope Ratz aka Benedict XVI. Is that better?<br /><br />I would never know what good things I have said, for you have never, ever, ever, ever, ever pointed out or commented on anything that you considered "some good things" I have said. Typical abusive behavior is to always find fault, deride, criticize and be demeaning as much as possible. Thank you for your putting me down and then having the audacity of saying that I let myself down a lot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-4822538237898919872012-05-11T13:55:21.840-06:002012-05-11T13:55:21.840-06:00If feeding the people were merely a matter of prov...If feeding the people were merely a matter of providing the sacraments, why is it that those doing the providing insist they have a right to sort out those they deem worthy of the sacraments? Are you actually admitting the The Vatican is guilty of overreach here?<br /><br />I know what The Vatican is, thank you very much. I also know by whom it is run. I write precisely and without either ill-advised separation or conflation.<br /><br />I live in a rural area too. Where there is one priest to cover 3 or more parishes. Where priests must drive 50 miles or more between Masses on Sunday to get to all those parishes. Where the vocations are simply not forthcoming. And God-forbid the bishop might appoint a local nun or other qualified layperson as a parish administrator so the duties of the priest are eased somewhat. He'd rather bring in priests from Africa who preach nothing but fire and brimstone and expect some female will be there to ensure they get their meals on-time and laundry done. Sorry, this kind of caste-driven sexism is a sin and it is on the part of The Vatican and the bishops together with priests - in other words, the exclusively male leadership. It enhances marginalization. It does nothing to mitigate that marginalization.<br />VeronicaT'Pelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14497973041430354008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-91741896578220199352012-05-10T09:54:23.902-06:002012-05-10T09:54:23.902-06:00I'm in a rural area, and there are priests her...I'm in a rural area, and there are priests here. Indeed, I know first-hand that they have priests in the most sparsely-populated areas of Western Europe.<br />S. America and Africa surely don't suffer from lack of access to the sacraments as much as those in China and elsewhere in Asia? That seems to be where the gap is, though I couldn't claim to be particularly well-informed in this matter.<br /><br />Your final line is ridiculous, though. The Catholic Church is usually the first to have a presence in a new slum-town, and usually the last to remain in run-down areas past their prime. There are a number of possible reasons for that, not all of which are linked to any particular great-ness in Catholicism, but it does seem to be the case.<br /><br />The Church is much for the Church of the poor and the marginalised than are the Episcopalians or Mormons or [insert sect here].Invictus_88https://www.blogger.com/profile/03446202385252763436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-8821704427541349652012-05-10T06:07:36.542-06:002012-05-10T06:07:36.542-06:00The sheep may be fed in your area, but that is not...The sheep may be fed in your area, but that is not true for the majority of Catholic faithful, especially in South America, Africa, and rural areas in other countries. And no there is no hope in active young vocations--unless you mean diverting third world priests from their own priest starved countries into the West as is the practice currently.<br /><br />Where the sheep have no money they also have no shepherds.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-45966358063643614482012-05-10T03:47:42.494-06:002012-05-10T03:47:42.494-06:00"fascist"? "corporate state"? ..."fascist"? "corporate state"? <i>Seriously?</i><br /><br />You say some good things, you really do, but you do also let yourself down a lot with things like that...Invictus_88https://www.blogger.com/profile/03446202385252763436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-90507650538732195982012-05-09T20:53:51.964-06:002012-05-09T20:53:51.964-06:00In contrast to Pope Benedict or AB Dolan, Sister B...In contrast to Pope Benedict or AB Dolan, Sister Brigid makes so much more sense for our Church. I note here what she says about when she speaks, which speaks a Truth about everyone in the Church. <br /><br />"Nobody is going to speak for the whole community. It is too hard to speak for hundreds of women. They aren't all going to talk alike anyhow."<br /><br />This is also true of the Gospels when they were written. Each Gospel is from a different speaker who highlights the teachings of Jesus within their experience of witnessing Christ in their lives. That was the time when the Church was not a Corporate entity. It was not spoken of in the Gospels to create a corporate state with a monarchal head of fascist state to speak for everyone. The Vatican is a corporate state and not the Church. The Church are the People of God.<br /><br />No one is beyond the love of God's reach, whether they receive the Vatican's corporate approval or not.<br /><br />ButterflyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-73906691150527716182012-05-09T13:12:29.303-06:002012-05-09T13:12:29.303-06:00(The Vatican is a city-state in Italy. From the co...(The Vatican is a city-state in Italy. From the context, I take it you mean the Church.)<br /><br />The sheep are fed, as the Mass is still celebrated in every city, and as it is - praise be to God - the case that the great majority of baptised Catholics are able to attend the Mass in their local area.<br /><br />Some Catholics still suffer beyond access to the sacraments, but in active young vocations there is hope there too.Invictus_88https://www.blogger.com/profile/03446202385252763436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-2529961061227728942012-05-09T08:54:19.622-06:002012-05-09T08:54:19.622-06:00And many of those young people 'respond' I...And many of those young people 'respond' Invictus - by simply no longer showing up to listen because The Vatican hasn't the ability to reach them with spiritually relevant truths. The fact that you get a few percentage points on the extreme end of a bell curve is nothing to be comforted by. What you get is a smaller, more authoritarian, more rigidly controlled environment within the group B16 thinks of as his ghetto church. He is apparently forgetting that the church was told not to 'SORT my sheep' but to 'FEED my sheep'. Christ was not the exclusionist that the Vatican has become.<br />VeronicaT'Pelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14497973041430354008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-13918405113458074972012-05-08T16:41:11.182-06:002012-05-08T16:41:11.182-06:00It's always been a "small percentage"...It's always been a "small percentage" called to Holy Orders and the religious life, so that's really neither here nor there. <br />What is telling is not that a small proportion of individuals discern a vocation to Holy Orders or the religious life, but that of those who do, almost none go on to join heterodox groups, but instead join orthodox or explicitly 'traditionalist' groups.<br />Nothing is heading for oblivion, apart from some orders which fell prey to relativism.Invictus_88https://www.blogger.com/profile/03446202385252763436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-51324635971584280792012-05-08T07:54:36.741-06:002012-05-08T07:54:36.741-06:00The retention rate for the new orders is exactly t...The retention rate for the new orders is exactly the same as it is for the LCWR orders and by numbers the LCWR actually attracts more women. There are just a whole lot more orders of sisters in the LCWR.<br /><br />I get a little tired of this line of reasoning given the priesthood is also aging at a rapid clip. Yes there is a small percentage of the over all youth age bracket attracted to orthodox orders. In comparison to the over all numbers of youth, it's miniscule. They are not going to save the Church from receding into oblivion in the West.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-79897746889152515232012-05-08T06:25:43.912-06:002012-05-08T06:25:43.912-06:00"Why is he picking old nuns? More than half o..."<i>Why is he picking old nuns? More than half of us are over 75. We are almost an endangered species now. If he is trying to really change the church, he should start at the level with youth and talk to youth groups or something like that.</i>"<br /><br />The Pope has given many excellent speeches to young people, and they respond. Note the healthy vocations to orthodox orders, and the withering of the heterodox orders.Invictus_88https://www.blogger.com/profile/03446202385252763436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-36652424616386480872012-05-07T14:24:32.979-06:002012-05-07T14:24:32.979-06:00I imagine that the
We help with the ... right-to...I imagine that the <br /><br /><i>We help with the ... right-to-choice movements.</i><br /><br />would set off episcopal alarm bells.<br /><br />Or is the reference to something other than a supposed right to abortion ?<br /><br />God BlessChris Sullivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14584323901208927740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-74759899417902531832012-05-07T11:45:26.590-06:002012-05-07T11:45:26.590-06:00It's also evidence that the members of the LCW...It's also evidence that the members of the LCWR have been around long enough that the tantrums of 85 year old men don't phase them. They know it's not about God, it's about papal mystique and protecting the notions of papal infallibility and the down hill chain of command.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-36365928221525620282012-05-07T02:19:05.564-06:002012-05-07T02:19:05.564-06:00Col, Thanks so much for posting this. It helps to ...Col, Thanks so much for posting this. It helps to confirm for me that the Vatican is becoming ever more dystopian in its practice.<br /><br />Yet more evidence that its mindset seems more about corporate surveillance and control. <br />BlessingsBlue Eyed Ennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06181985609681328032noreply@blogger.com