tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post2245687966046514229..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Spectacular Shrine, Less Spectacular Theologycolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-83049458665645314762008-08-09T17:48:00.000-06:002008-08-09T17:48:00.000-06:00Del: didnt mean to imply that Sr Teresa was a mone...Del: didnt mean to imply that Sr Teresa was a money grubber, just that she raised the definition of frugality to a new level.<BR/><BR/>Butterfly, you asked:<BR/><BR/>"Why isn't the Church building new hospitals or clinics"<BR/><BR/>perhaps because they are too busy trying to save the world from abortion, homosexual marriage, gays, women priests and contraception.COL55https://www.blogger.com/profile/07057765287988790129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-1826546838590949262008-08-09T15:55:00.000-06:002008-08-09T15:55:00.000-06:00Butterfly, don't you think it's kind of interestin...Butterfly, don't you think it's kind of interesting that all the major female figures representing feminine energy in the Church are all dead? Probably speaks to Carl's point about the fact the heirarchy seems to need to keep women subservient out of some kind of fear. It's hard to work up much fear about dead women.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-22122296293481555552008-08-09T09:46:00.000-06:002008-08-09T09:46:00.000-06:00One more note that came to my mind about the Churc...One more note that came to my mind about the Church building shrines and Cathedrals at enormous cost recently, is there might be a parallel in secular thinking and planning: no investment in the infrastructure in over 30 years in building or maintaining bridges, energy sources are stagnant with no new refineries-which impedes the availability or makes it more scarce & expensive, no new hospitals and hospitals closing down despite onslaught of aging baby boomers and the increased need. I heard a report on the news this past week that people are going to emergency rooms in large numbers and the hospitals can't take care of people in time to provide any medical care. While we have the technology and know-how to save them, they can't be saved in time. People are dying in crowded waiting rooms and hallways. <BR/><BR/>Why isn't the Church building new hospitals or clinics? Just thought I'd add that to the list of things it seems the Church hierarchy might be overlooking while building these new shrines and cathedrals. In LA the new Cathedral is named Our Lady of the Angels. Seems lots of "Ladies" are monumentalized, but women are .......?butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-20987966219131384382008-08-08T08:50:00.000-06:002008-08-08T08:50:00.000-06:00Carl, I have not heard those rumors about Mother T...Carl, I have not heard those rumors about Mother T hiding money. Perhaps she was giving it to people, places and things the hierarchy would not approve of... no one will ever convince me she was a money grubber ... lol. <BR/><BR/>Colkoch, Angelica has a $55 million dollar shrine??? holy cow! Perhaps they need to chip off a few diamonds to pay some of their bills... Deacon Bill says they are $600k in the red... (every month it gets higher and higher) lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-40659901059059416542008-08-08T08:47:00.000-06:002008-08-08T08:47:00.000-06:00The Shrine that Burke built reminds me of the Cloi...The Shrine that Burke built reminds me of the Cloisters in New York, which is a building that the Rockefeller family bought from Europe and shipped it here in pieces and assembled it back together. It was filled with pricey medieval artifacts and huge tapestries of unicorns. While I appreciated the bringing of a little of the time and a piece of Europe to NY it still seemed a selfish concept of the wealthy to hoard expensive things, make their treasure material things and spend their money frivolously.<BR/><BR/>There was another huge shrine or cathedral built in LA which cost a fortune and I recall when hearing about it the extravagant cost which I believe was $125 million (I'll have to look that up). I couldn't believe the Church was spending so much money on a building when my mailbox was being flooded by charitable causes with pleas for donations for people who were hungry and/or living in squalor, poverty, hopelessness, despair.<BR/><BR/>Burke's quote says that the "the altar" is more important than the gifts, and that we pilgrims as he defines us, are to become fixed and unmoving stonelike disempowered altars too. If we followed Burke's theology we would become "altars of sacrifice with him."<BR/><BR/>"Yes we are called to sacrifice, but the sacrifice is everything we hold onto which impedes our capacity to love, to become the REAL spiritual beings we are." Thanks Colleen for putting into words what we "know" or "remember" to be the truth from Jesus' teachings.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-45652785009089977092008-08-08T05:49:00.000-06:002008-08-08T05:49:00.000-06:00Here's another interesting fact about Mother. She...Here's another interesting fact about Mother. She built her shrine because she had a vision while in Columbia, where a statue of Jesus as a child turned to her and asked her to build a 'temple' to him.<BR/><BR/>Somehow five anonymous 'families' ponied up the money for the entire shrine. Do you smell drug money?colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-17364450151260425432008-08-07T20:57:00.000-06:002008-08-07T20:57:00.000-06:00diamonds on the inside so Jesus can see them ... h...diamonds on the inside so Jesus can see them ... hmmm.....<BR/><BR/>Bet Jesus is really proud of that shrine!<BR/><BR/>COLLEEN: off topic here a bit, but relevant to many of the discussions, something that all might find interesting.<BR/><BR/>The question that seems to be at the heart of everything that is transpiring within the church right now is "Why do men fear women so much and work so hard to keep them subservient?". <BR/><BR/>In book 3 of the Conversations with God trilogy, chapter 2, there is a very plausible explanation. <BR/><BR/>It is a story of a time in prehistory, (pre-male history that is) when the matriarchy ruled, and how men used fear, deception and violence to usurp the ruling power for themselves. It is fascinating reading. Well worth taking the time to find it and read it. <BR/><BR/>DEL: There are rumors that Mother Teresa had large sums of money, donations she had collected, hidden in bank accounts around the world. The burning questions that are being asked now are, "what was it for?", "why didnt she use it?" and "what will the church do with it now?"<BR/><BR/>If she had $25M, it probably would have ended up the same place. <BR/><BR/>BUTTERFLY: I've always privately believed there was a hell, not the traditional Christian version, but the Buddhist version. Hell is coming back for a do over, and remembering you are in a do-over. That is enough to scare anybody into righteousness. I'm really surprised the catholic church hasnt used that one. It would be a great tool for their control freak mentality.COL55https://www.blogger.com/profile/07057765287988790129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-52315356154686206122008-08-07T16:02:00.000-06:002008-08-07T16:02:00.000-06:00.....wait till they find out the locks have been c........wait till they find out the locks have been changed when they try to use them!!!<BR/><BR/>I just roared out loud. They'll have to come back and look for a different set of keys.<BR/><BR/>Del, imagine what Mother Theresa could have done with 25 million, and while you're at it, imagine what she could have done with the 55 million Mother Angelica spent on her shrine. In Mother's shrine the tabernacle is reputed to be diamond encrusted on the inside so that Jesus can see them.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-54494981696125546492008-08-07T13:22:00.001-06:002008-08-07T13:22:00.001-06:00I absolutely agree. I would like to add that I bel...I absolutely agree. I would like to add that I believe 'atonement' theology achieves the opposite result it would like us to believe it achieves. If one believes that Jesus died for one's sins, then why should one try to live a holy life? I prefer to believe that Jesus models for us the way one should live with and treat their brothers and sisters on this planet. Bishop Burke and those of his ilk are on a 'head' trip believing that they and the hierarchy hold the keys to heaven for all of us.....wait till they find out the locks have been changed when they try to use them!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-8714490202026115572008-08-07T13:22:00.000-06:002008-08-07T13:22:00.000-06:00Just imagine what Mother Teresa could have done wi...Just imagine what Mother Teresa could have done with $25 million?DELhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607682919994702258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-91430506059347330992008-08-07T12:48:00.000-06:002008-08-07T12:48:00.000-06:00Great, just what I want to do, come back here and ...Great, just what I want to do, come back here and do it again. It would seem that a lot of people have come back to do it over again and are making the mistakes as before. If things continue the way they are going we will have another World War and more than two nuclear weapons being detonated on two cities. This is the repetition that will occur from the spirituality of Burke, which brings back the reasoning of Medieval times, which the dummies don't consider unchristian behavior or immoral. They have a mile long list of excuses for perpetuating their own sins, yet there is Burke preaching about "lack of a sense of sin." He certainly does have a lack of a sense of sin, his own.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Interesting how Hans Kung has identified historically how the Vatican has created over several hundred years the idea that the Pope and Magisterium are the sole one's on the planet to receive the "deposit" of faith. Any reasonably thinking person who is not brainless or have air for brains can see and deduce that the deposit of faith that Jesus spoke about was for all. The Church is misusing the name of God, and that break the First Commandment. They've replaced the true God into making themselves like Kings.<BR/><BR/>The spending of $25 million for the Shrine while there are so many people starving and in need is in my mind and heart a selfish deed, for selfish purposes.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.com