tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post2561914478812425603..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Pope Francis Is All For Collegiality--At Least Amongst Bishops And Cardinalscolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-35786391890060620902013-06-25T09:38:42.121-06:002013-06-25T09:38:42.121-06:00What does "The cake is only half cooked...&qu...What does "The cake is only half cooked..." say to us?Rosemary McSharrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-37672735111657966682013-06-14T11:37:03.617-06:002013-06-14T11:37:03.617-06:00odd national/international synchronicities since t...odd national/international synchronicities since the current issue before our government is the whistleblowing of Snowden...I am moved by your link between transparency and trust, knowing the courage it takes to trust and wanting to somehow contribute to that building project!Rachelfsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-8097329279837160072013-06-14T11:24:34.554-06:002013-06-14T11:24:34.554-06:00Transparency is a goal worth pursuing because tran...Transparency is a goal worth pursuing because transparency builds trust. Secrecy builds hierarchies in which most of us are deemed to lack the necessary pay grade to be privy to the secrets. Transparency also helps build healthy communities, something the Vatican curia seems not to be.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-3345312378959498382013-06-14T10:26:07.496-06:002013-06-14T10:26:07.496-06:00yes and yes to these comments. Altho schism is an...yes and yes to these comments. Altho schism is an old fashioned word and universally used by authorities with an inquisitorial bent, it is exactly true of so much of the authority being exercised by today's Roman curia and seems to be true of any institution in the West today-- institutions with political power are "in schism"--immature, prideful, hypocritical persons are not up to the tasks of wielding power and keep the circle going: rebellion, blood loss, few lessons learned...there is hope for me in the process of bringing about greater transparency ....somehow, Pope Francis seems almost a genius of accidental transparency and offers more hope than say, the generals recently testifying in Congress on how to handle sexual abuse in the military--forced into public record and view....Rachelfsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-77436641415442085212013-06-14T09:00:08.943-06:002013-06-14T09:00:08.943-06:00Dennis, your last paragraph struck home with me. ...Dennis, your last paragraph struck home with me. Rome is indeed bent on a long death. Our bishops have lost too much credibility to recover in the short term. Jesus did come to save more than Opus Dei or their like minded, but gullible, uber Catholic laity. Although I so like the things Francis' is saying, he needs to start acting on the governance part of why he was elected.<br /><br /><br />As to the gay lobby, I have no question such a lobby exists and has existed for at least the last 160 years. My fear is that other than existing for their own self promotion, they are also the force behind the maintenance of a celibate clergy. It's the celibacy part of the Roman Catholic priesthood that gives them their unique power amongst the otherwise mostly heterosexual ruling elites. I can't think of another global player that would offer gay men--especially gay men of a certain age and attendant mental issues--the kind of power and influence they have through the Roman Catholic clerical closet. It does not bode well for the place of women in Catholicism, nor does it bode well for the place of the Eucharist relative to the celibacy of the priesthood.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-66456868176789145062013-06-13T19:31:25.674-06:002013-06-13T19:31:25.674-06:00Once again, this would require a whole contest wit...Once again, this would require a whole contest with the curia. Francis already mentioned the corruption there and that there is a gay lobby, something we knew for years. The source of so much of the corruption is of course Opus Dei. The question becomes, can Francis survive any reforms he attempts to make. The sealed deeply buried tomb of JPI looms large for anyone willing to attempt to make this group less autocratic. The only hope is that many of these men will see the folly of the authoritarianism that is the Vatican. Still believe that the Vatican would function the best as a museum of the PAST. For this church to survive as more than a cult, it needs to respect women, gays, but all so the the Holy Spirit speaks to the laity on an equal basis as She does to the Bishops. In other words the Bishops should begin to recognize that in there omniscience, they are not and have not been listening to Her. <br /><br />My own belief is that Christianity is in yet another schism caused by the authoritarian structure that is Rome, that gangsters from the OPus Dei and other elements have indeed taken it over and we are better with smaller and more truly Christian catholic churches that are not at all attached to Rome. <br /><br />The Curia have shown that they will not listen to anyone but fascieast elements like Opus Dei and this has indeed KILLED the influence of Rome for those that seek a Christ-like peaceful existance. Christ came to save us all not Opus Dei MEN.rdp46noreply@blogger.com