tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post2925556601944434518..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: colkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-58885340042897501462010-07-01T23:17:55.195-06:002010-07-01T23:17:55.195-06:00"Linked by whom, exactly? This is slanderous...."Linked by whom, exactly? This is slanderous. Danneels is one of the most progressive thinkers in the College of Cardinals."<br /><br />At the moment I cannot provide a link for the assertion that Daneels is linked to Opus Dei....but it is true. It is also irrelevant as to whether he is a literal members (like Schoenborn) or a Cooperator/Collaborator. It's all the same. <br /><br />One must bear in mind the following: Opus Dei can & has used elements on the Right AND Left to its advantage. Both the witting & the useful idiot. In the same manner that the US govt.intel infiltrated & used Left wing Anti-Vietnam groups & Civil Rights groups against themselves.<br /><br />Cardinal Joseph Bernardin was very 'friendly' with Opus Dei as well. That may be a hard concept to deal with....but try. Remember: he was the first chairman of the entity which is now the USCCB. If he was a GENUINE Liberal, he would never hold that post. Or only as a useful idiot.<br /><br />The key concept is that of: Control<br /><br />The best way to win a war is to control both sides. That is also called a Strategy of Tension. <br /><br />For a Cardinal to play the part of a Liberal (and live....) he must be an actor. As if he is a genuine anti-fascist of the mind of Christ, he would share the end of Archbishop Romero.......<br /><br />In plain English: a vast game is being played,in multiple dimensions. <br /><br />Anon Y. MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-2892538523179790732010-06-30T04:57:04.520-06:002010-06-30T04:57:04.520-06:00Cardinal Brady and Cardinal Martin have been criti...Cardinal Brady and Cardinal Martin have been criticizing each other in Ireland.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-33674859811200832532010-06-29T16:03:38.383-06:002010-06-29T16:03:38.383-06:00I have stated repeatedly since Boston blew in 2002...I have stated repeatedly since Boston blew in 2002 that we would never get to the bottom of the abuse scandal without the intervention of both the FBI and Interpol. I stated this because if these organizations actually went after the information with the same zeal as the Boston Globe, their access would yield far more information. Information which would most certainly involve other agencies other than the Roman Catholic Church.<br /><br />Belgium's scandal in the nineties involved all sorts of well placed people cooperating in a pedophile ring, all making the assumption their protection lay with their status. Anyone who thinks the Vatican is immune to this kind of thing is truly drinking the Kool Aid.<br /><br />I'm sure Benedict went after Schonborn because Benedict has been 'motivated' to go after Schonborn. Reminded perhaps of why he was elected pope and what happened to one of his predecessors.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-18013270068002021142010-06-29T14:30:57.448-06:002010-06-29T14:30:57.448-06:00Yes, what I read is that the police thought some d...Yes, what I read is that the police thought some documents were being hidden. And that right now they are combing through the documents which they seized and comparing them with the ones this informant had in her possession - to see if the "official" ones have "missing pieces". The other thing I read is that they view this case as having two halves. One half relates to the abusers of the children. And the other half to those who knew about the abuse and did not protect the innocent, those they had reason to know were in danger. <br /><br />So clearly the judicial authorities in Belgium are after the enablers! And that makes me wonder again about the pope's "smack-down" of Schoenbron... for are there some honest bishops, for example, or cardinals, who know about other dishonest ones? Are they at the point of coming forward? (If only to save their own skins?)<br /><br />Plus, if some people are literally freaking out about the seized documents and the loss of their anonymity, isn't it more likely it's the "enablers" who are scared to death they will be outed? All the more so, now that Belgium has a green light, via the US Supreme Court - and probably the "Supremes" too, morally at least. ;) <br /><br />Then, taking this one step further, what if Interpol is provided reason to become involved? For what if there is evidence in the seized documents which links to other countries, maybe even back to the Vatican itself? And what if within the hierarchy itself there are cardinals who would go to the authorities themselves? Ratting on their fellow cardinals? For we know of one case where the Vatican had a dossier of a cardinal (?) who was an alcoholic and preyed upon seminarians. So, if there was one, there might be others. And if documents could be copied (kept in personal files for just such a moment by one cardinal maybe) and given to authorities (at an opportune moment)...<br /><br />This is all getting very much like the mafia or like espionage or something as mentioned above. But we KNOW the Vatican has tomes of terrible deeds - they didn't throw out the annals of the Inquisition! So... where is this all leading? <br /><br />Yes, Benedict is looking more pathetic, inept, and impotent by the day. He got himself appointed pope - and is not up to the job - and is presiding over a collapsing Vatican... like a balloon losing air. I almost feel sorry for him, a pathetic old man, completely out of his depth, utterly unable to "see" while imagining he has a clear vision of the rest of us all in a secular fog, far from the reign of God. Oh, how mistaken he is!<br /><br />And I sincerely apologize for my many comments (especially yesterday - but the news came pouring in - and cried out for analysis and exclamation!TheraPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684120043427738135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-63505801476244916642010-06-29T14:26:46.082-06:002010-06-29T14:26:46.082-06:00Anon Y Mouse:
"Note also.....Daneels has lon...Anon Y Mouse:<br /><br /><i>"Note also.....Daneels has long been personally linked with Opus Dei."</i><br /><br />Linked by whom, exactly? This is slanderous. Danneels is one of the most progressive thinkers in the College of Cardinals.PrickliestPearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07606660660913560540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-40368268601743418602010-06-29T14:01:50.300-06:002010-06-29T14:01:50.300-06:00"It wasn't a decision by the Supremes&quo..."It wasn't a decision by the Supremes"<br /><br />True. Diana Ross had nothing to do with it......<br /><br />:p<br /><br />Some years ago - and I cannot now recall the source or contexts - someone told me that, while a student in a DC University (presuamably either CUA or Georgetown), he recounted the following (my paraphrase):<br /><br />"I saw rooms piled high with stacks of document files & boxes of papers. They were in temporary storage there. What I was told is that they were records of clerical sex abuse cases. From all over the US. We were not supposed to see this - it was an accident. But were told they were to be transferred either to Rome or some place with diplomatic immunity. The information on this was quietly imparted to a limited group. And this was in the 70s..."<br /><br />There has been enough independent confirmation of shipping such documents to secure locations - or within Nunciature property - to cite this as plausible reality. <br /><br />If this is true as stated, then those privy to verifiable information about it would likely be under the same 'threat' as Godelieve Halsberghe. Be they cleric or lay. <br /><br />Anon Y. MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-39066964763478013912010-06-29T13:48:22.372-06:002010-06-29T13:48:22.372-06:00TheraP -
Yes- clerical abuse cases should have b...TheraP - <br /><br />Yes- clerical abuse cases should have been turned over to the FBI en masse....decades ago. Remember: the founder of the Servants of the Paraclete warned Pope Paul VI in 1965 of the abuse epidemic & routine priest shuffling. <br /><br />..which he had been aware of since the 1940s! <br /><br />And, since the abusers were shuffled across international lines (either to the missions as a dumping ground, or in education), Interpol should be involved. <br /><br />When I express this to many Catholics I am called....'satanic'.....'in need of confession'....'a sinner/heretic/blasphemer'...etc.<br /><br />I will repeat: no normal human in control of his/her God-given mental faculties would react that way. This is the result of mental conditioning; otherwise known as Mind Control. <br /><br />Yes, I understand the SCOTUS ruling;I just did not express myself properly:p<br /><br />The Belgian govt.would NOT have conducted such raids if they did not have good reason to do so. <br /><br />It is also interesting to note that Belgium was the first (and only?) Western nation to label Opus Dei officially as "a Cult". <br /><br />It should thus come as no surprise that you will find consistent disdain & hatred for Belgium in conservative Catholics sites/blogs.<br /><br />Note also.....Daneels has long been personally linked with Opus Dei. <br /><br /><br />Anon Y MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-18215147826958073432010-06-29T10:52:30.356-06:002010-06-29T10:52:30.356-06:00I guess the Belgium raids were precipitated by an ...I guess the Belgium raids were precipitated by an ex member of the Archdiocesan abuse board.<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/world/europe/29brussels.html<br /><br />""The former head of the commission, Godelieve Halsberghe, said in an interview with a Flemish newspaper, Het Nieuwsblad, that she had gone to the authorities after receiving a call from a man who did not identify himself and warned her in French to “watch out” for herself and to secure the documents she held on about 30 cases she had handled during her tenure at the commission, from 2000 to 2008.""<br /><br />This is getting more and more like the Mafia all the time. Now we even have clandestine informants. Maybe that's why I get the feeling some very guilty rats are beginning to abandon the sinking Vatican ship to save their own skins. Benedict's belated attempts to assert his authority will most likely only spur on more rats to abandon ship. Benedict sounds and looks pathetically in over his head.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-7006004958736778692010-06-29T00:58:22.495-06:002010-06-29T00:58:22.495-06:00I have nothing to add to the discussion--but the w...I have nothing to add to the discussion--but the word verification?? "Pardn"<br /><br />Really!Shannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02270396127498411004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-7086352274350209932010-06-28T20:34:38.139-06:002010-06-28T20:34:38.139-06:00Anon Y. Mouse:
Here's my thinking. All cases...Anon Y. Mouse:<br /><br />Here's my thinking. All cases of clerical pedophilia should now go to the FBI. Priests were moved around. Thus interstate. And you've got the Vatican in charge. And no immunity. So why go to local law enforcement when you could simply get the FBI to do the raids?<br /><br />P.S. It wasn't a decision by the Supremes. They simply refused to hear the case, which meant they deferred to the lower court decision. But that deference to the lower court is a good as gold. It means that will have the POWER of a Supreme Court review - both here and abroad. It's gonna put a huge "lock" on the Vatican. <br /><br />I recall all that writing about the lawyer the Vatican had and how he was going to ensure the Vatican got its "diplomatic immunity". Didn't work! Time's are a changing....TheraPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684120043427738135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-25257641355567135912010-06-28T20:14:23.470-06:002010-06-28T20:14:23.470-06:00"People will ask why the Pope feels the need ..."People will ask why the Pope feels the need to intervene in the affair of a sovereign state."<br /><br />...the Vatican has been doing such 'interfering' since 325AD...:p<br /><br />....contrary to the teachings of that "Jesus' they use as a corporate logo. <br /><br />I was not aware of the Supreme Court decision until now....GREAT!!!!!<br /><br />Also I note with great interest that the Belgian raids were practically ignored by the US press. Kudos to Belgium for having the GUTS to just raid the bastards!<br /><br />Look....if you can legally justify 3AM raids on illegal immigrants (who are usually poor & defenseless), and drug dealers (who are small-time players of no account), .....then My comment is this:<br /><br />Dear US Federal law enforcement;<br /><br />RAID EVERY CHANCERY OFFICE, BISHOP'S MANSION, SEMINARY (records are hidden there)....AND RECTORIES, AS NEEDED!!!<br /><br />You know damned well that key evidence will be found - somewhere. Even if they have started midnight paper shredding parties.......<br /><br />Also, raiding the Papal Nunciature in Washington AND the Permanent Observer to the UN would be in order. As 'secret records' are known to have been shunted to those places. <br /><br />Diplomatic immunity my *&^!!!! There is solid pretext for such search & seizure when 'diplomats' are breaking local laws. Or obstructing justice or otherwise involved in criminal conspiracy. <br /><br />Anon Y. MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-76060398667783377862010-06-28T19:09:23.813-06:002010-06-28T19:09:23.813-06:00Many nations pay attention to the decisions of the...Many nations pay attention to the decisions of the highest courts of the land in other nations, taking their cues from them.<br /><br />So, sure enough, news of the Supremes' decision today is now affecting how Ireland may also view the Vatican's prior claims to immunity:<br /><br />From the Belfast Telegraph:<br /><br />http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/us-court-clears-way-for-pope-sex-abuse-lawsuit-14858307.html<br /><br /><i>The Irish government is studying the landmark decision by the US Supreme Court which could have major implications for Ireland's relations with the Vatican in the cover-up of paedophile clerics.<br /><br />....<br /><br />Until now, the government and Irish courts have dismissed clerical child abuse claims on the grounds that the Holy See is an independent State with diplomatic immunity recognised by Ireland.<br /><br />"Previous attempts to make the Papal Nuncio in Dublin appear in the High Court to answer charges of collusion with paedophile cleric Sean Fortune were declared inadmissible.<br /><br />This special status caused uproar last year when the Murphy Report into the cover-ups in Dublin complained that neither the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, nor the Papal Nuncio in Dublin, answered its queries." </i><br /><br />Personally, I think the smack-down of Schoenbron today was a smoke-screen for this news from the Supreme Court (assuming that the Vatican had some advance warning.. which I bet they did.)<br /><br />Like I said earlier today, the Vatican appeared to have a "siege mentality" - and no wonder!TheraPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684120043427738135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-8362845839186137362010-06-28T16:26:26.937-06:002010-06-28T16:26:26.937-06:00Hmmmm..... orders that answer to the Vatican.... ...Hmmmm..... orders that answer to the Vatican.... maciel? Ah... the possibilities here...<br /><br />Vatican power is appearing to be a house of cards when it comes to civil powers!TheraPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684120043427738135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-81645026903246728012010-06-28T16:17:49.330-06:002010-06-28T16:17:49.330-06:00What makes this decision even more intriguing is i...What makes this decision even more intriguing is it involves an Irish priest belonging to a religious order. It's about transferring a known abuser from Ireland to the US under the auspices of a religious order that answers to the Vatican. It's a tighter line of authority than if it involved an American diocesan priest. Plus it has the transfer across international borders angle which really opens up a nasty can of worms.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-30742787344346353982010-06-28T15:59:32.900-06:002010-06-28T15:59:32.900-06:00I am actually surprised the Supremes refused to he...I am actually surprised the Supremes refused to hear this case, especially given all the conservative Catholics currently serving on the court. <br /><br />It does appear the Vatican is finding out it's diplomatic status is not what it once was what with Belgian Police tramping through Cardinal's residences and US lawyers given the green light to sue in US courts. Bad day all around for Don Benedicto.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-28047622753866643682010-06-28T15:19:39.901-06:002010-06-28T15:19:39.901-06:00Time:
The Pope vs. Belgium: A Bad Fight for the V...Time:<br /><br /><b>The Pope vs. Belgium: A Bad Fight for the Vatican?</b><br /><br />http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2000204,00.html<br /><br /><i>Belgium is not the only country where the Catholic Church is in a crisis. But against a backdrop of a general decline in churchgoing and a specific scandal over sex abuse, the attempts by the Belgian Catholic Church and the Vatican to reassert their authority may backfire. "<b>People will ask why the Pope feels the need to intervene in the affair of a sovereign state</b>. They will ask if it's normal to leave this investigation to what is basically a private organization," says Marco Martiniello, a politics lecturer at the University of Liège. In the current, febrile climate surrounding the Catholic Church, the Pope may find it best to cease his complaints and simply let Belgian justice run its course.</i> <br /><br />Beginning to fit together...TheraPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684120043427738135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-81950203833177392352010-06-28T15:06:59.362-06:002010-06-28T15:06:59.362-06:00This Reuters quote is even more explicit:
(Reuter...This Reuters quote is even more explicit:<br /><br /><b>(Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court refused on Monday to consider whether the Vatican has legal immunity over the sexual abuse of minors by priests in the United States, allowing a lawsuit filed in 2002 to go forward.</b><br /><br />http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65R3UB20100628<br /><br />Hold onto your hats, folks!TheraPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684120043427738135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-16930282526558323642010-06-28T14:54:29.846-06:002010-06-28T14:54:29.846-06:00BOMBSHELL!
Supreme Court clears way for abuse vic...<b>BOMBSHELL!</b><br /><br />Supreme Court clears way for abuse victims to sue Vatican! Refuses to hear Vatican's argument over international jurisdiction!<br /><br />http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/faith/97313104.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUncacyi8cyaiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU<br /><br />Here's some:<br /><br /><i>The U.S. Supreme Court cleared the way for St. Paul lawyer Jeff Anderson to sue Pope Benedict on behalf of sex-abuse victims when it refused Monday to hear the Vatican's appeal of an Oregon lawsuit.<br /><br />Anderson, who specializes in filing abuse suits against the Roman Catholic Church, called the decision "the biggest breakthrough in the movement's history."<br /><br />"This is huge. Really, really huge," he said. "We've kicked down the iron gates that they've been hiding behind for all these years."<br /><br />In declining to hear the case, the court upheld an appeals court ruling that the Vatican can be sued for sexual abuse if church officials knowingly reassign priests who have been accused of such acts in their previous parishes. The Vatican appeal had argued that the U.S. courts lacked jurisdiction over the Rome-based church.<br /><br />Anderson predicted that now he can eventually depose Pope Benedict.<br /><br />"I won't start with him; I'm going to work my way up," he said. "But this ruling gives me the ability to depose anybody within the organization who has knowledge about the events."</i><br /><br />Yes, things are gonna crack up! Looks like they're not above the law after all...TheraPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684120043427738135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-21046102793679767272010-06-28T13:47:49.345-06:002010-06-28T13:47:49.345-06:00Interesting that they seem only to have reprimande...Interesting that they seem only to have reprimanded him for his criticism of Sodano and not for his other comments.<br /><br />Of course the assertion that only the pope can make accusations against a cardinal is ridiculous, but when is the last time the Vatican has said anything about the powers or prerogatives of the pope that wasn't ridiculous? This is just the latest drop in an already very full bucket.PrickliestPearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07606660660913560540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-39158560591413829662010-06-28T12:43:52.390-06:002010-06-28T12:43:52.390-06:00Vatican: Siege Mentality.
Things must really be ...Vatican: <i>Siege Mentality.</i><br /><br />Things must really be cracking up now! <br /><br />One wonders why the Schoenbron smackdown comes now... after 2 months percolating out there. No cardinal allowed to criticize another cardinal. Hmmmm.... So is there something else out there that might provoke criticism? Something in Belgium perhaps? Or events in Italy, to which Colleen points.<br /><br />Seems to me Schoenbron is being used as an example.... maybe as a warning. I can only hope some other cardinal arises, willing to risk criticizing a fellow cardinal. Who might be ready to do that? Beats me...<br /><br />Plus, it seems clear now that the Vatican can never investigate itself. Cardinals aren't allowed to do that. Only the Pope. And how can the pope possibly be in charge of an investigation? God knows, the pope does not want the civil authorities presuming to do that either!<br /><br />Events are heating up! Time to throw everything at the Vatican, I'd say. If they feel under siege, let it rip!TheraPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684120043427738135noreply@blogger.com