tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post3896126528292684527..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Divorced and Remarried Catholics and Spiritual Communioncolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-92100796203969553322010-04-07T09:55:38.249-06:002010-04-07T09:55:38.249-06:00This is why I now go to the Methodist church and a...This is why I now go to the Methodist church and am in the process of converting to being a Methodist. After crying at every Mass during communion, I had enough and decided to seek God elsewhere. Jesus ate with theives, prostitues, and pagans. I hardly think he would deny a remarried Catholic a place at his table.GratefulDebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04933257841511070672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-23771393670856468582009-12-29T17:36:38.423-07:002009-12-29T17:36:38.423-07:00My wife left me. Years later I repartnered and am ...My wife left me. Years later I repartnered and am likely to soon marry. I won't seek an annulment, as it's purpose is to establish I was not ready for marriage in the first instance, or was coerced. Why should I lie to a panel? The church excludes very easily. I'm likely to walk away and reinvent my faith elsewhere. I expect to find many like myself.Jimbojoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09415058901798304953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-49905480691413552792008-07-01T16:44:00.000-06:002008-07-01T16:44:00.000-06:00I've noticed that trend myself. but I kind of doub...I've noticed that trend myself. but I kind of doubt it's the ceremonial wine and bread.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-14065268881299490332008-07-01T15:51:00.000-06:002008-07-01T15:51:00.000-06:00Butterfly:you wrote:why not harass people who have...Butterfly:<BR/>you wrote:<BR/><BR/>why not harass people who have divorced and remarried outside the Church and play politics with them, deny them Communion? <BR/><BR/>I'm confused, isnt that what they are already doing?<BR/><BR/>------------ <BR/>Has anyone noticed how bloated most of the magisterium appears to be? Do you think perhaps the wine and host the consume might be giving them gas? <BR/>------------COL55https://www.blogger.com/profile/07057765287988790129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-21827669945749041832008-07-01T15:39:00.000-06:002008-07-01T15:39:00.000-06:00Margie, one of the few things I have problems with...Margie, one of the few things I have problems with in the mass is the "i am not worthy ..." Truth is, if we were not worthy, we simply would not be there, we would be somewhere else. A more accurate statement would be something like "I am worthy because you have ..." <BR/><BR/>I'll add that to my wish list on Amazon.comCOL55https://www.blogger.com/profile/07057765287988790129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-8331002655315186152008-06-30T11:57:00.000-06:002008-06-30T11:57:00.000-06:00Both of you have made great points. First the ann...Both of you have made great points. First the annulment process is invasive and does stir up interesting stuff in families. Too many tribunals are composed of laity and clergy with little or no background in marital counseling and the application of the process is very uneven from diocese to diocese. I suspect the Diocese of St Louis doesns't approve the same percentage of applications as some other dioceses.<BR/><BR/>Butterfly I loved the line about how inhospitable it is to invite everyone to dinner and then separate those who can eat the meal from those who can't.<BR/><BR/>Margie I don't know what to tell you. This papacy is certainly emphasising a sacramental theology which is more in line with Trent than with Vatican II. By the way there's an hysterical conversation betweeen a couple of priests on Catholica Australia about the 'joys' of giving communion on the tongue from the perspective of a priest. I'd never actually considered the process from their point of view, but can now see why they aren't particularly enthusiastic about the new norms for Papal Masses. As one mentioned, "I don't know that the New Testament says anything about Jesus hand feeding the Apostles."<BR/><BR/>I guess the whole idea is to remind us that our relationship with Jesus is only as permanent as they tell us it is. Someone should tell Jesus about this state of affairs.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-58855981986475685832008-06-30T11:27:00.000-06:002008-06-30T11:27:00.000-06:00I'm confused....I thought Christ was already prese...I'm confused....I thought Christ was already present within me by virtue of my baptism. Isn't Eucharist also a celebration of what already exists? Much like forgiveness is already given and the sacrament of reconciliation is a celebration of that which already exists?????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-30132460322898951762008-06-30T08:20:00.000-06:002008-06-30T08:20:00.000-06:00There are just a few things that the Church need n...There are just a few things that the Church need not interfere in: 1) who people vote for 2) who people marry 3) who people divorce 4) people who remarry. But, since the Church is on such a power trip of late, needs to blame others for the various failures in the world and so much "sexual scandal" and it sees a failure in secular government to rule correctly, why not harass people who have divorced and remarried outside the Church and play politics with them, deny them Communion? <BR/><BR/>It is in my view blatant hypocrisy (and not hospitable, as well as very rude) to invite someone to a dinner, but to divide the table up into those who can eat the dinner from those who can not!<BR/><BR/>If anything messes up one's faith, in my opinion, it is when someone comes along and tries to tell you how you "have to" live your faith, and this seems to be what the Church wants to insist on from its "flock" of believers. It says that you must "repent" and the only way they can judge your full repentance is by submitting to their processes, one being the annulment process. Why is the Church in the judgement business? Who are those people who make up a Tribunal? Why do they feel they must judge and determine one's former marriage as being valid or invalid? If the marriage no longer exists and they are no longer together, the marriage is not valid. There is no necessity to determine anything. Who do they base their decisions on-the one seeking the annulment or the the ex-partner, other family members? Why do they want to know so much information about why the marriage no longer exists? <BR/><BR/>In my view, it is really nobody's business, and least of all a body of people who make up a Tribunal to judge one's "case." These tribunals are a form of repression in the Church and the source of much contention for many families. No body of people has the right to "judge" someone else's personal relationships. <BR/><BR/>The theology of the Eucharist remains for many as a very confusing mush-mash of ideas about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The protestant evangelists have a better chance of bringing people to the Word of God and to Jesus Christ than the Catholic Church does since the Reformation period. <BR/><BR/>The Catholic Church under Benedict is becoming a source for only more confusion, division and schism than at any other time in history. I can only pray that priests who are truly holy will come forward and not let the gavel of judgers destroy what beauty is left in the Church, which doesn't seem to be all that much or anymore than any protestant Church has to offer at this time.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.com