tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post3934531020258894494..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Jamie Manson Interviews Mathew Foxcolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-51126605244554585842012-04-04T23:08:54.500-06:002012-04-04T23:08:54.500-06:00I don't pay attention much about what pope did...I don't pay attention much about what pope did what or what not. I do pay more attention to what is happening within the People of God as a result of the hierarchy’s unfortunate and feeble machinations. I have been blessed to worship with a wonderful Vatican II inspired intentional community which has been born anew as our loco archbishop kicked us out of the church because we wouldn't, couldn't, shouldn't worship according to the rubrics of the Roman Missal. Today we are growing as the Spirit of St. Stephen's Catholic Community. Our worship is heartfelt and true. At Eucharist we celebrate as the priesthood of the people so much so that during the Eucharistic Prayer we all go up to the table and never can know just who is going to say which part of the beautifully composed Eucharistic prayers. They arise from the assembly in complete spontaneity. I couldn't imagine going back to the unthinking recitation of rubrics. Even when circumstances do bring me back to mainstream, I am compelled to take the words to heart - to Listen as I worship. Because of this, I feel as though I could worship anywhere and find spiritual renewal in some way. <br />As more communities form beyond the confines of the institution, I believe that we will, indeed experience a true Catholic reformation and renaissance. We need to look to these new communities, support them, celebrate them as examples of the wonderful possibilities that await freedom from crumbling and anachronistic paradigms while honoring the creative riches running like a river through our Catholic traditions. Blessed Be…jamezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12910320855332238203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-9211833527797975642012-04-02T09:20:23.037-06:002012-04-02T09:20:23.037-06:00"This is the signature spiritual charism of a..."This is the signature spiritual charism of all the new lay movements like Opus Dei, the Neocats, and the Legionairies." Opus Dei is not a new movement, origins, ideological roots and developemnt in the best book in English on the net <br /><br />http://www.naderlibrary.com/lit.kingdomcome.toc.htm<br /><br />worthwhile, a good reading and interpretation.<br />Legionaires are a copy made in Mexico of Spanish Opus Dei. And Neo Cat, that's correct, a new movement. <br />Their ideas are similar, but Opus Dei is the best organized and older, they have tried for a long while to arrive to management of the catholic Church. They got it, since John Paul II and under Benedict there are more and more Opus Dei bishops around the world. For instance Jose HOracio Gómez, Los Angeles, last arrived as an auxiliary in the diocese, first in line to be the archbishop. <br />They like secrecy, but catholics must be alerted about their actions.Ana Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00368932536304883219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-64618836241179675812012-03-27T18:11:51.791-06:002012-03-27T18:11:51.791-06:00Their are some biologists who believe that gay pat...Their are some biologists who believe that gay patterns such as we see in the Lion kingdom are protective of familial structure. It is interesting to me to recall that the one gay priest in my very early life experienced explained to our fifth grade class that not even the animal kingdom has gays! He went on to tell us that homosexuality was very sinful at the same time he was gay. It took some of us a few year to figure that out, but we all indeed did and begin to wonder about his hypocrisy. I guess he did not tell the two gay Frigate birds in the same nest that my wife spotted in the Galapagos Islands when we first stepped off the cruse boat on our honeymoon.rdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-45054609951950826672012-03-27T15:24:36.728-06:002012-03-27T15:24:36.728-06:00Anon, the answer to your question depends on who y...Anon, the answer to your question depends on who you want to believe. There are a disproportionate number of gays in all the helping professions. It may very well have something to do with a predisposition to be other centered and nurturing. At least when the orientation is integrated in a healthy way. <br /><br />Certain Native American tribes felt their gay and transgendered members were bridges between worlds, both the male and female gender worlds and this reality with the supernatural reality. They were respected and cherished, if not always understood.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-47483815636334569952012-03-27T14:29:48.733-06:002012-03-27T14:29:48.733-06:00The great Cardinal Newman was also gay. So What? ...The great Cardinal Newman was also gay. So What? The church would not even allow him to be buried next to his life long partner in the "Don't Ask Don't Tell Episcopacy.rdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-22297279362777295502012-03-27T13:17:20.884-06:002012-03-27T13:17:20.884-06:00Why are there more gays in the clergy/professional...Why are there more gays in the clergy/professional religious than the general population?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-21626941448106815892012-03-27T07:06:22.157-06:002012-03-27T07:06:22.157-06:00Seriously anon, Mathew Fox is openly gay and has a...Seriously anon, Mathew Fox is openly gay and has a partner. We are not arguing over who has the better invisible friend, but over who has the better approach to the same invisible friend. Sheesh.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-26449374755461397922012-03-27T00:57:05.544-06:002012-03-27T00:57:05.544-06:00I meant to say Gregoire "seems to believe wi...I meant to say Gregoire "seems to believe with some evidence that John XXIII, Paul and John Paul I were all murdered." Sorry for that error.rdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-36290712468070375492012-03-27T00:53:41.241-06:002012-03-27T00:53:41.241-06:00Coleen,
For a lot more information all footnoted...Coleen, <br /><br />For a lot more information all footnoted read Lucien Gregoire's "Murder in the Vatican." I don't like the cover but this book is jammed fool of documented facts. I think that Paul new that his friend Cardinal Lunciani would reverse the BC encyclical. If I get the chance, I will ask Gregoire, about Humanae Vitae. It certainly became the beginning of the implosion of Vatican II and then the entire Roman Church. I don't think that either Lunciani or Paul VI had this outcome in mind, but unless there was some sort of threat, I do not understand why Paul wrote humanae Vitae, and then never wrote another encyclical. Lunciani seems to believe with some evidence that John XXIII, Paul and John Paul I were all murdered. There is an excellent medical case for forensic investigation into Paul's death. There was even more both medical and circumstantial evidence in the case of Lunciani. What kind of an institution allows one or possibly three suspicious deaths without any forensic investigation?rdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-74378772454763637472012-03-27T00:50:58.898-06:002012-03-27T00:50:58.898-06:00You and the EWTN idiots deserve each other. You&#...You and the EWTN idiots deserve each other. You're still arguing over who has the better invisible friend and the "real" edition of the book of fairy tales.<br /> Fox's "Wisdom University" was a joke. And since becoming an Episcopalian, he's made no moves whatsoever to get married,which is strange-unless he's just not interested in women.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-83318949488216222302012-03-26T21:47:49.536-06:002012-03-26T21:47:49.536-06:00Dennis, I'm the one who includes Paul VI, not ...Dennis, I'm the one who includes Paul VI, not Mathew Fox, and it's precisely because of Humanae Vitae and his refusal to allow a discussion on celibacy. Personally I think he was blackmailed over his reported gay lover. It's the kind of thing that was all the rage back then.<br /><br />As to your other point, JPI had to have known too much for some folks in the Vatican. His secretary--Ireland's disgraced Archbishop Magee--states that Luciani pointed out JPII from a photo of the conclave that elected him pope as the man who would follow him. According to Magee JPI did this thirty days before he suddenly died. I don't think JPI was a prophet, I think he knew too much and he intended to use his authority to do something about what he knew. That made him way too dangerous.<br /><br />Along those lines, I've found it interesting in the extreme that John Allen is now writing about the need for the next pope to get some control on the Vatican bureaucracy. Personally I think it's way too late for that. The whole thing has to implode.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-60900205895704061482012-03-26T20:45:51.085-06:002012-03-26T20:45:51.085-06:00I agree with a lot of Matthew Fox as well, Colleen...I agree with a lot of Matthew Fox as well, Colleen. However, other than not knowing how to explain Paul VI and Humanae Vitae, I do not agree with him about this Pope. Paul VI and Cardinal Luciani, JP I, were really the authors of liberation theology. Paul VI clearly favored Luciani to be his successor and he stacked the College of Cardinals for this result that almost did not happen. I think we must dig much deeper into Luciani and it is hard because not only did the Church loose the 9 copies of his will but it destroyed all his papers form the days he was a cardinal and he is the only former pope whose body is sealed deeply in the Vatican encased in a led and concrete coffin.rdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.com