tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post4335941878522802060..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Archbishop Chaput Takes The Mound To Explain Why It's OK To Deny Education To The Children Of Gays.colkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-80763567170488233402010-03-12T09:05:45.780-07:002010-03-12T09:05:45.780-07:00"With baptism comes rights, but also responsi..."With baptism comes rights, but also responsibilities. My responsibility is not obedience to rules, but to freely live the Spirit and that Spirit is about loving like an adult, not obeying like a fearful child.<br /><br />To follow Jesus means to slay the demons with in ourselves, but this also applies to His Church. To maintain obedient silence is to enable evil. What do you think the abuse crisis is all about? "<br /><br />Yes, Colleen, it is so difficult to first slay our own demons. One must recognize them first. If you hide behind an authoritarian structure,<br />it is impossible to recognize our own demons. This is the problem with the absolutism seen in our church. R. Dennis Porch, MDrdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-10721452348840196792010-03-12T08:51:11.440-07:002010-03-12T08:51:11.440-07:00I can't answer your question for any other com...I can't answer your question for any other commenter, but I will answer it for myself.<br /><br />I'm not looking for another club to join or a 'bar' where I can fit in and 'everyone knows my name'. That's way too simplistic and childish a solution.<br /><br />The spiritual path is supposed to be a challenge to one's enculturated ego. Religions to often want the spiritual path to be an affirmation of their enculturated God. Jesus fought his own tradition on just those lines by challenging the assumptions behind the rules of Pharisaic Judaism. Ultimately He taught it's not about the rules, it's about the spirit behind the rules.<br /><br />So I ask myself this question: What energy really benefits from the current Institutional abusolutist emphasis on rules and doctrine? Who benefits from the current push to make those absolutist rules the law of the secular land? Who benefits from the political gay bashing and the cover up of clerical sexual abuse? Who benefits from forcing birth on poor women incapable of raising another child? Who benefits from denying birth control to over populated Catholic areas? Who really benefits?<br /><br />The answer is the dark side of the energy equation. All of these absolutist doctrines, which seek to take choice away from people, foment human misery, exploitation, poverty, and greed. The spirit from which they operate is about control, domination, and fear of 'others'.<br /><br />With baptism comes rights, but also responsibilities. My responsibility is not obedience to rules, but to freely live the Spirit and that Spirit is about loving like an adult, not obeying like a fearful child.<br /><br />To follow Jesus means to slay the demons with in ourselves, but this also applies to His Church. To maintain obedient silence is to enable evil. What do you think the abuse crisis is all about? <br /><br />I would rather stand against the evil in my own Church than transfer to what you think is just another more congenial 'religious' club.<br /><br />Perhaps that's is how you wish Catholicism to be, or how you see religious observance, a club of sorts in which you feel comfortable and want others to be just like you. Unfortunately we are called to be just like Jesus, not like me, and not like you.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-60517451279081036522010-03-12T08:31:17.398-07:002010-03-12T08:31:17.398-07:00The reactionary redefining of the Church began aft...The reactionary redefining of the Church began after unfortunate death of John Paul I with the Opus Dei supported new Pope and the Litmus test appointments of men who did not accept Vatican II. It may take out church 100 or more years to recover and again open the windows to allow the light of the Holy Spirit to shine through. Many have left to seek spirituality in a more open venue. It is a difficult decision for many of us cradle Catholics educated 16 or in my case many more years in Catholic institutions. There is only one philosophical absolute- Change is inevitable! Absolute, would you turn against a family member in trouble. The problem is not catholicism but it is the leadership of the institution that moves from scandal to scandal caused by their own opacity to the Holy Spirit. I guess the decisions of the bishops to hide scandal are made by anonymous men so they are hard to trace. All that is imploding in front of our very eyes. dennisrdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-32392860106186953882010-03-12T07:37:25.956-07:002010-03-12T07:37:25.956-07:00I'm curious...if all of you are in such disagr...I'm curious...if all of you are in such disagreement with the basics of Catholic Theology and Doctrine (and they are very clearly defined in the Catechism of the Catholic Church), why continue to call yourselves Catholic? Why set out to redefine a faith rather than simply join a church that more accurately represents your point of view - Episcopalian for example?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-91939459147705815242010-03-12T01:37:39.638-07:002010-03-12T01:37:39.638-07:00I don't think delusions or delusional thinking...I don't think delusions or delusional thinking is ever rational but this pattern of thought turns partial truths into factoids and then uses deductive and often paranoid reasoning to "prove that they are absolutely correct with these factoids." Have you noticed how little the authoritarian traditionalist uses inductive reasoning form observation of of social or scientific phenomena? When one is delusional it is difficult to observe anything in an acceptable and reasonable mind set. We can understand where many of these patriarchs are coming from, but it is hard enough to control our own inner demons let alone find ways to counteract the delusions of the inner demons of people that have some resources and believe themselves omnipotent as well as omniscient. <br /><br />So many of the Bishops are very sick and do more harm to the world than do paranoid schizophrenics. People are so afraid of schizophrenics that they have put most of them in jail, yet the more harmful personalities come from the inner demons of people with severe character defects and the Bishops like sociopathic used car salesmen are in this category of misbehavior. Christ said if a man ask for your shirt give him your coat too. Used car salesmen are adept at taking your shirt without asking. These Bishops in their fear steal decency from society. Most are not of a spiritual mind set that would listen to what the Holy Spirit is telling those willing to observe and listen. Oh for the days of a John XXIII, a Cardinal Benardian and a Cardinal Newman - gone and we miss them. Most similar men could not be appointed to the Episcopacy of the Twenty-first Century - they had too much sense and hope and love for the current group (Perhaps in Dublin there is an exception at least I hope.) May God help those that do not see through the Episcopate of John Paul the Great. May we understand the demonic mind of those that support them. R. Dennis Porch, MDrdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-42410844434456485982010-03-12T01:21:14.533-07:002010-03-12T01:21:14.533-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.rdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-82235625919126291962010-03-11T09:36:52.821-07:002010-03-11T09:36:52.821-07:00"The Church never looks for reasons to turn a...<i>"The Church never looks for reasons to turn anyone away from a Catholic education."</i><br /><br />Except this time. How does this help the children? I wish the Archbishop good luck talking American Catholics into toeing the line. He's going to get kind of lonely once all the sinners are tossed out.scriptohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17899049404620738944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-91436114730296523822010-03-11T09:01:37.129-07:002010-03-11T09:01:37.129-07:00This is stating it the way it is:
"It is a d...This is stating it the way it is:<br /><br />"It is a defensive ploy coming from a fearful borderline core part of the personality. It means that these men can not operate from the ethical standards of the Jesus on the Mount, but give into the fearful paranoia of the inside demon."<br /><br />Thank you Dennis. You are--excuse the word--absolutely correct. Once one has given into the rational delusions spawned by fearful paranoia the Sermon on the Mount becomes a subversive tactic designed to undermine authority. Usually their authority. Christ like thinking becomes incompatible with borderline thinking.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-56672039006584835932010-03-11T08:41:59.576-07:002010-03-11T08:41:59.576-07:00No matter what these men who are the 21st century ...No matter what these men who are the 21st century Bishops believe, it is only a disordered mind that would treat children this way. I remember when I was a child in Catholic School, and one of my classmate’s parents divorced and the father remarried- that the little girl was somewhat ostracized and made an example of in the class. This left a very bad taste in my mouth then as does this action in Boulder. I think this is a major problem with the authoritarian mind set that only understands black vs. white and right vs. wrong. They just do not have the depth of understanding that there are no absolutes. Situations are always black and white, right and wrong. What happens here is that the Bishop himself tips his balance of social justice to a dark side to insist that he is 100% right in his dogmatic teaching. This balance in the Catholic Episcopacy is being rebalanced in many issues to a primitive understanding of ethics and society. It is a defensive ploy coming from a fearful borderline core part of the personality. It means that these men can not operate from the ethical standards of the Jesus on the Mount, but give into the fearful paranoia of the inside demon.<br /><br />The Bishops are using this same faulty authoritarian approach with there pressure on a Michigan Congressman that may defeat a health care bill. What is so discouraging is that so many of us see abortion (as medically defined, not as recently defined by the bishops) as a failure in society and to be decreased but not altogether forbidden. In the mind of a totalitarian that believes he or she is absolutely right, we might as well be abortionists! The authoritarian mind set is primitive and certainly not the mind set of Christ. <br /><br />This is why they hate Vatican II. It gave too mush to the sense of the laity for some in the curia of the 1960’s and 70’s to remain politically. This is not a spiritual group of men. So many of the People of God are much more educated, sophisticated and spiritually minded that they have developed a better sense of ethics and more solidity of character than do this group of patriarchs. It is the priesthood of Baptism that is the important priesthood not the priesthood created by the leadership that is currently destroying so many Christian Institutions.rdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-85499356539554175752010-03-10T21:56:59.584-07:002010-03-10T21:56:59.584-07:00great pic of chaput. what a "regular guy"...great pic of chaput. what a "regular guy" he is...<br />in all seriousness, i'm getting pretty tired meanness masquerading as kindness--or, in this case, as warm and fuzzy reminders of america's national pastime. i guess bishops put on baseball uniforms when they want to fight (and win) culture wars.mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-9326443261950012502010-03-10T20:14:34.147-07:002010-03-10T20:14:34.147-07:00Sacred Heart of Jesus School... or
Sacred Heart ...Sacred Heart of Jesus School... or <br /><br /><i>Sacred Heart of Leviticus</i>?<br /><br />Goodness, I think Leviticus even advised us to welcome to the stranger among us. But no.... somehow the "sacred heart" must be breaking! I know mine is.<br /><br /><i>Suffer the little children to come to me.</i> That does not mean the children should "suffer"! <br /><br />Worse and Worse! What's next????TheraPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684120043427738135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-5393576616496168412010-03-10T16:58:12.269-07:002010-03-10T16:58:12.269-07:00Anonymous, that sounds familiar - it's sort of...Anonymous, that sounds familiar - it's sort of like 'don't ask - don't tell.'butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-7487672571381930022010-03-10T15:48:28.703-07:002010-03-10T15:48:28.703-07:00The shorter message from Chaput & Burke-don...The shorter message from Chaput & Burke-don't do as we do, do as we say, in everything, including voting.khughes1963https://www.blogger.com/profile/16118365554189078448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-85516052740724997972010-03-10T12:25:57.343-07:002010-03-10T12:25:57.343-07:00It seems that the rule is: you can call yourself &...It seems that the rule is: you can call yourself "Catholic" as long as you stay in the closet. Practicing birth control, conceiving artificially, surviving an abortion, divorcing, being homosexual, or, yes, being among the sexually active clergy are all ok--as long as no one either knows or talks about it. And this gives what kind of message to our kids?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-76240939483282153572010-03-10T10:24:57.900-07:002010-03-10T10:24:57.900-07:00Chaput is no Saint to follow. He is getting the c...Chaput is no Saint to follow. He is getting the cult following though from gay bashers, for getting tough, speaking his discrimination and teaching everyone to exclude gays from the "public square."<br /><br />He said: " The main purpose of Catholic schools is religious; in other words, to form students in Catholic faith, Catholic morality and Catholic social values."<br /><br />Catholic faith, with the lower case f - not all Catholics fit into Chaput's idea of practicing Catholic faith. Many use birth control, cheat on their spouses, don't go to Church at all, etc.<br /><br />Burke's Catholic faith of "morality" is of discrimination against gays. His Catholic faith of "social values" is discrimination. It certainly has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ.<br /><br />The sins of a regular Catholic school's parents are many, not to mention the teachers and the priests. If the "social value" is to form children's consciences, he's teaching them to shun their neighbor, judge their neighbor, punish their neighbor's children.<br /><br />Burke is a belligerent Catholic priest who has never grown up in his Faith. He's a sick wacko.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.com