tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post44825967002663386..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: The Faithful Cardinal Burke Not On Benedict's Wave Length? Oh Mycolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-67155822488631385072010-11-25T08:26:14.292-07:002010-11-25T08:26:14.292-07:00Another great article. I agree with your observat...Another great article. I agree with your observations here, Colleen. The comments are good too. I note especially the comments about Cardinal Burke. Good to know that he supports the Holy Father 100%. My Holy Father right or wrong, is that his motto?Mareczkuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13122584421854834046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-4499061089256744092010-11-25T03:01:55.458-07:002010-11-25T03:01:55.458-07:00Lombardi sounds like a sane voice sounding amid th...Lombardi sounds like a sane voice sounding amid the hubbub of Bedlam -- the Church has been so nutty on sex issues for so long that something mildly reasonable comes as a shock.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-71312532209609939892010-11-23T17:57:40.346-07:002010-11-23T17:57:40.346-07:00Yes, Schonboern's been part of Benedict's ...Yes, Schonboern's been part of Benedict's inner theological circle for eons. <br /><br />Kevin57, I didn't know George had any specific program for trolling for lost Catholics. Trouble with trolling is you have to have the right bait. George doesn't come across as much of a fisherman.<br /><br />As to Dolan, he too will get no where if the USCCB continues to shill for the Republican party instead of act with some sort of pastoral sensitivity.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-12028255440144149892010-11-23T17:14:51.915-07:002010-11-23T17:14:51.915-07:00On the retirement, or abdication of a pope:
B16 i...On the retirement, or abdication of a pope:<br /><br />B16 is probably more aware than most of how JP2's declining health hurt the Church over the last decade of his life. Ratzinger was unable to move against Maciel until he became pope. There are probably many reasons, some noted by JP2 himself, that a pope should abdicate if unable to fulfill the obligations of his office due to poor health.<br /><br /> Hmmm, Cardinal Schönborn eh?<br /><br />p2pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-42050451191939464332010-11-23T17:14:21.556-07:002010-11-23T17:14:21.556-07:00Colkoch, I'm not impressed by Dolan's sayi...Colkoch, I'm not impressed by Dolan's saying his number one priority is getting people back in the pews. Card. George here in Chicago has made a "Back to Church" campaign a centerpiece of his adminstration for the past few years...with little if any effect. These guys won't even entertain the notion of actually dialoguing with disgruntled, disengaged Catholics. WE are supposed to come to them. They aint taking one step in our direction.kevin57https://www.blogger.com/profile/01681985465980196347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-62445035043708573062010-11-23T16:30:43.398-07:002010-11-23T16:30:43.398-07:00Anon, if it wasn't intentional at first, it su...Anon, if it wasn't intentional at first, it surely works to his advantage now.<br /><br />I have been just as taken with Benedict's comments about the right of a Pope to retire. In my best case delusional hope, I see him retiring in favor of Schonboerg, who will then really test out the oft stated loyalty to the Papacy of way too many yes men.<br /><br /><br />I also find it encouraging that in Dolan's New York Times interview today, Dolan states the exodus of Catholics from the pews is number one on his list of concerns. Haven't heard anything like that before either.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-17592003529001223682010-11-23T16:24:40.839-07:002010-11-23T16:24:40.839-07:00do u think bene has worked things this way intenti...do u think bene has worked things this way intentially? His way of manipulating the rapid right? He has made them cardinals, let them run with it, let them run with power, and now he has them under his thumb? Any thing along these lines?? Think he is more like Kung than he has let on for a long time? or am i getting too carried away and too hopeful?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-90395956051428240872010-11-23T16:04:44.876-07:002010-11-23T16:04:44.876-07:00It's been a joyful experience for me to read s...It's been a joyful experience for me to read some of the newspapers and blogs in Africa. This is seen as a huge break through in curbing the spread of HIV amongst married couples and in the more conservative religious traditions. Hopefully, like the statement the Russian Orthodox church released this afternoon, more sexually conservative religious traditions will get on board---like some Islamic traditions.<br /><br />This may not seem to be a big deal to Americans, but it is huge in the third world.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-69079242621791406832010-11-23T15:24:13.681-07:002010-11-23T15:24:13.681-07:00Another secular link:
http://www.talkingpointsme...Another secular link: <br /><br />http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2010/11/vatican_popes_condom_comments_apply_to_women_too.php?ref=fpblg<br /><br />Let the discussion begin!wild hairhttp://www.wildhair95.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-92163283384952944032010-11-23T14:55:05.921-07:002010-11-23T14:55:05.921-07:00Terence I agree whole heartedly that this can only...Terence I agree whole heartedly that this can only open up a dialogue, and I don't think Benedict was oblivious to that fact.<br /><br />No the teaching on condoms with regards to birth control hasn't changed, but the teaching regarding the primacy of birth control in realtionship to harming another has changed. That is not a little step.<br /><br />Just as an aside, a commenter on America mentioned that in Lombardi's explanation he mentioned the T in LGBT, and this might just be the first time Benedict has recognized T's exist.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-80746706714973030652010-11-23T14:18:45.166-07:002010-11-23T14:18:45.166-07:00As you say, Colleen - end the hypocrisy. (The exci...As you say, Colleen - end the hypocrisy. (<em>The excitement over this interview has rather drowned out all other topics. One such important, neglected commentary was at America magazine, on the highly selective church interventions in politics.</em>)<br /><br />I rather think that Burke is right - there is not a major shift here in the teaching , in that there is no approval, just a rather grudging recognition of a moral shift occurring. <br /><br />But he is dead wrong in thinking that nothing will change. Perceptions are everything, and the perception has been created that there has been a shift. It is also important that a discussion has been opened up - some say that this was part of the deliberate intention. I also like the recognition that context matters.<br /><br />Burke may not like it, but this genie is not going back into the bottle.Terence Weldonhttp://Queering-the-church.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-23631714540735438432010-11-23T13:29:57.913-07:002010-11-23T13:29:57.913-07:00Mrs. p2p reminds me that such a person is either a...Mrs. p2p reminds me that such a person is either at your throat or at your feet.<br /><br />p2pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-8121255924350934442010-11-23T13:28:45.141-07:002010-11-23T13:28:45.141-07:00Minion:
" n.
1. An obsequious follower or d...Minion:<br /><br /><b><i>" n.<br />1. An obsequious follower or dependent; a sycophant.<br />2. A subordinate official, especially a servile one.<br />3. One who is highly esteemed or favored; a darling."</i></b><br /><br />from the Free Online Dictionary<br /><br />p2pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-67852658016529179902010-11-23T13:00:39.597-07:002010-11-23T13:00:39.597-07:00p2p don't you love it. Cardinal Burke, amongst...p2p don't you love it. Cardinal Burke, amongst others, has given himself absolutely no wiggle room. That's the trouble with that kind of obedient mentality. What happens when the leader you are obedient too begins to look at things differently than you do. Perhaps Burke should reflect on the pain, angst, and cognitive dissonance the Legion itself has gone through over 'Nuestro Padre'. It appears it's his turn to experience the same kind of thing, and not 24 hours after he grabbed the great gold ring. <br /><br />Karma is a bith ain't she?colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-36774930685411136022010-11-23T12:00:14.862-07:002010-11-23T12:00:14.862-07:00Wow.
That's quite the development. I'm gl...Wow.<br /><br />That's quite the development. I'm glad to hear the Pope's reasoned thinking as clarified by Fr. Lombardi.<br /><br />Burke should be ashamed to proclaim himself the ultimate "YES" man. <br /><br /><b><i>Simply one who is 100% with the Holy Father, using whatever gifts God has given me to help the Holy Father, to give him any counsel he asks me. Also in daily activities, simply to be supporting and promoting what he wishes and desires.</i></b><br /><br />That's not a leadership role, not even in a "servant leader" sense. <br /><br />The church is desperately in need of leadership. The whole lot of them need to:<br />* Challenge the clerical status quo that has brought the church into disrepute and financial ruin.<br /><br />* Inspire!<br /><br />* Empower every single member of the church. Engage us. Use all of our talents. All of us! But particularly women who have been systematically excluded.<br /><br />* Set a personal example of humility and service in addressing the concerns of this world. Begin with the beatitudes.<br /><br />* Encourage and support us, pilgrims on our spiritual journey.<br /><br />p2pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com