tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post4582845576699979348..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: colkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-32256640270715933112010-05-11T21:49:31.946-06:002010-05-11T21:49:31.946-06:00FYI - Opus Dei asserts its 'official membershi...FYI - Opus Dei asserts its 'official membership' to be some 89,000.<br /><br />...of course they have been using that figure for nearly 10 years now, which should act as a clue that they are not telling the whole truth. <br /><br />Of course - they are not, in any sense. That figure does NOT include the many thousands of Associate members (of whom many are clergy). Nor does it include the even larger number of ancillary members, who are referred to as: Cooperators & Collaborators (who need not be Christian or even Theists) . <br /><br />In Chile in 1950, the number of 'official' OD members was some 2500. But the number of Cooperator/Collaborators was some 15,000. The number of clerical 'Associates' at that time is unknown, but certainly large.<br /><br />...and that was in a 3rd world nation largely populated by llamas.<br /><br />Do the math. <br /><br />Those with eyes to see can perceive that the figure of REAL global OD membership is closer to the range of 750K to 1 million. <br /><br />Realty...not fantasy or mere 'conspiracy theory'. <br /><br />When you add in the vast multitudes of Communion & Liberations, Neo-Cats, LC/RC, Miles Jesus, Focolore, Charismatics, etc.....we have quite any army of 'ancillaries'.<br /><br />Anon Y. MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-73640124772786528642010-05-11T07:12:06.437-06:002010-05-11T07:12:06.437-06:00Mareczku it all depends on how one defines importa...Mareczku it all depends on how one defines importance. Like the Legion, OD has a mission heavily involved in targeting the salvation of the wealthy and using OD resources, which are extensive, to create media sources to spread their version of Catholicism.<br /><br />Secrecy amongst their ranks, both lay and clerical is difficult to penetrate, but they heavily surrounded the late JPII and included sympathisers like Cardinal Dzwicz, his personal secretary, his press secretary, a lay man with a doctorate in sublminal communcation, Dr. Valles, and many other sympathizers or members such as Bertone and Sodano.<br /><br />As the Legion and Cardinal Sodano show, you don't have to be big in numbers to have influence, just big in the right number$ with access to more, and then it helps to have the right message which is all about obedience to the magisterium, the exalted and necessary status of the celibate sacramental priesthood, and the necessity for joining our suffering with Jesus in this world in order to obtain salvation in the next world.<br /><br />The latter years of JPII's pontificate served well to underscore their message and influence.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-56641426052294882312010-05-10T19:52:28.736-06:002010-05-10T19:52:28.736-06:00This is an informative article. I didn't real...This is an informative article. I didn't realize that Opus Dei is so important in the Church. I don't know if you may be overstating their importance here. I never really heard all that much about them. Are they that large a group? Aren't a lot of other religious orders larger?Mareczkuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13122584421854834046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-87904149216502455042010-05-10T19:21:08.847-06:002010-05-10T19:21:08.847-06:00While the men in the Vatican are so busy saying &q...While the men in the Vatican are so busy saying "sssshhhh, men are talking" they are not hearing what God is trying to tell them - "I am the Lord your God and put no false gods (men) (money) (ego) before me."<br /><br />word is popwornebutterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-90294815506848237552010-05-10T16:42:36.356-06:002010-05-10T16:42:36.356-06:00"These people continue to prove to the world ..."These people continue to prove to the world how inbred, self-centered and arrogant the clerical structure is."<br /><br />.....in the Middle Ages it was very common for the clergy & hierarchy to refer all those NOT of the noble or clerical class as: "The Simple". <br /><br />As demeaning as 'others' is (overtly & implicitly)...and it is VERY demeaning, I would rather be called "Others" then....."The Simple"<br /><br />:p<br /><br />In re women religious, the 'wise men' of the Vatican might as well have said:<br /><br />"Sssh!...men are talking". <br /><br />Anon Y. MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-73633167089280981372010-05-10T15:10:13.316-06:002010-05-10T15:10:13.316-06:00I notice that the article named clerics (but of co...I notice that the article named clerics (but of course) and then referred to "others."<br /><br />May one assume that to include women religious and garden variety layfolk who are experts in the art of communications?<br /><br />Oh, yes ....<br /><br />These people continue to prove to the world how inbred, self-centered and arrogant the clerical structure is.<br /><br /><br />Jim McCreaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-60075369723945002042010-05-10T14:16:47.788-06:002010-05-10T14:16:47.788-06:00Yes, Colleen, I had the sickening occasion to read...Yes, Colleen, I had the sickening occasion to read his take on Pell & agree he needs some journalistic and spiritual renewal and perspective far away from Denver, which seems to be the ODC's capital for marketing and promoting their brand (spin, spin & more spin until you are so dizzy you can't see straight - or even care to see straight) of "Catholicism." NCR does seem to be having problems. I just tried to go there and could not get in to their website.<br /><br />I'd be interested in reading more about what the women in the Church who were in Rome had to say. It is utterly astounding to me that these men in the Vatican want to ignore the voices of women. It's outrageous. They will have to face the consequences of their ignorance one day, and I hope it is real soon, because I really don't think that Jesus is going to have much more patience with this kind of denial of the Holy Spirit in women.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-16899877690581059172010-05-10T14:03:19.203-06:002010-05-10T14:03:19.203-06:00I mentioned this before - but it bears repeating:
...I mentioned this before - but it bears repeating:<br /><br />The master of Papal Ceremonies, Msgr. Guido Marini, has advanced degrees in the 'psychology of communication'.<br /><br />Navarro-Valles redux.<br /><br />Anon Y.MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-895879932509736422010-05-10T13:40:27.975-06:002010-05-10T13:40:27.975-06:00coolmom, I read that article after I posted this. ...coolmom, I read that article after I posted this. The photo of the priest alone behind the twenty foot altar is truly worth a million words.<br /><br />There is something truly sad about Benedict's choice to avoid these very real religious women under the excuse of honoring an apparition of Mary.<br /><br />Butterfly, speaking of John Allen, did you read his take on Cardinal Pell's possible appointment? Allen really needs to get out of Denver.<br /><br />Here is one of the links. I'd give the other but NCR seems to be having problems.<br /><br />http://ncronline.org/news/women-religious/symbols-separate-women-religious-clergy-rome-meetingcolkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-2337608054776886202010-05-10T13:36:03.903-06:002010-05-10T13:36:03.903-06:00What intrigues me in this attempt to improve the p...What intrigues me in this attempt to improve the public image of the Church, is that the emphasis is all on educating the press about the Vatican. The assumption here is that poor reporting in the past is all a result of misunderstandings resulting from ignorant, misguided reporters.<br /><br />I would be far more impressed at efforts to train the Curial officials in the ways of the press, so that they might think more carefully before making stupid and offensive remarks.Terence Weldonhttp://Queering-the-church.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-66251677668808093822010-05-10T13:22:18.761-06:002010-05-10T13:22:18.761-06:00And no papal audience for the women religious meet...And no papal audience for the women religious meeting in Rome. The pope has a sudden need to see Portugal. And Cardinal Rode had a sudden need to be "out of town" also. <br />And the scene of one priest alone saying Mass with 800 silent and silenced nuns facing him.<br />There will be such a need for the "mysticism and prophecy" that is the theme of this meeting as the storm clouds gather over Rome.coolmomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-1273193558103706532010-05-10T12:58:51.024-06:002010-05-10T12:58:51.024-06:00Oh, we can be sure that the OD evangelizing agains...Oh, we can be sure that the OD evangelizing against VII media outlets will be "improving media coverage" of the ODC platform, churning out a lot of propaganda for their new fascist-Vatican agenda. They would like to deny that we exist, that there is a legitimate opposing force against dissolving VII and real reform.<br /><br />Wow, what a title for their conference: “The Church Up Close: Covering Catholicism in the Age of Benedict XVI,” ... I am sure they will "cover" up a lot of the truth, especially since they won't be "covering" all the voices there are in the Church and that make up the Church.<br /><br />The article sounds like it was written by John Allen. Same school of thought.....<br /><br />It should provide us with a lot of new insight as to the inner workings of "how the Vatican functions."<br /><br />Spin is the nature of this beast.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.com