tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post5157735726900709700..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: It's Time To Stand Up To The Ultra Conservativescolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-3785281002228778562009-06-17T10:45:15.506-06:002009-06-17T10:45:15.506-06:00Communism in Russia, as it played out, really was ...Communism in Russia, as it played out, really was just another form of collective serfdom. I guess that's not surprising given the fact Mother Russia lagged centuries behind the rest of Europe in giving rights to peasants or even having a semblance of real democracy.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-89004398238516744962009-06-15T12:55:28.585-06:002009-06-15T12:55:28.585-06:00"That all started with the council of Nicaea...."That all started with the council of Nicaea."<br /><br />...on so many levels, YES!!!<br /><br />We mentioned the concept of the "Catholic Corporate State"....frightening indeed. Yet we have been there already. It was called:<br /><br />The Middle Ages...or Medieval Era. A holistic Corporate state, run by the Church (with the overt & gleeful cooperation of monarchs & nobility whose power base WAS the Church). It was also a literal slave state. <br /><br />In our history books it is benignly referred to as 'Serfdom'. Anyone who cannot see why this IS slavery needs a mental reboot! The vast majority of the populace had NO freedom: their very existence hinged on the Church/State collaboration on which the Feudal/Vassal/Serf system was founded. <br /><br />They were thought controlled by the Church using the neat combo of fear of torture - in this world and/or the next - and well engineered peer pressure to conform. You were your lord's property.....you could not escape or move. And where could you go anyway? <br /><br />It is the consideration of these historical realities which makes the 'conspiracy theory' that - "the Church created Communism" - sound less & less far fetched......<br /><br />At the very least, they lay the groundwork, by giving a practical example of a working model of the totalitarian collective: the life & work of the Serf!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-57367210736531574872009-06-15T09:59:24.313-06:002009-06-15T09:59:24.313-06:00"This is an excellent breeding ground for ..."This is an excellent breeding ground for 'Manchurain Candidates'; made intentionally or otherwise;. All done via the principles of compartmentalization & plausible deniability. <br /><br />So, yes - the SSPX is very much part of the mileau which created the assassin of Dr. Tiller."<br /><br />Thank you anonymous, I couldn't have said it better myself. I also agree completely with your analysis about externals vs internals. That all started with the council of Nicaea.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-56096790991682220192009-06-13T15:54:06.183-06:002009-06-13T15:54:06.183-06:00"It is truly idiotic journalism to link Tille..."It is truly idiotic journalism to link Tiller's shooting with SSPX in this fashion."<br /><br />Those whose God-given abilities of cognitive & CRITICAL thinking have not been 'disable' or affected by a 'virus' will clearly see the very cogent link between the ideology of those of the SSPX & the radical pro-lifers. It is one & the same. <br /><br />Go to their various websites, forums & blogs. READ what they say. You will find the most vile & hateful rhetoric employed.....against gays, Jews, women who have had abortion & those in favor of abortion. This became readily apparent in the Bishop Williamson debacle! <br /><br />What you will NOT find on these sites - or on the minds (or tongues) of the ultra-conservatives & traditionalist is........Christ. <br /><br />Oh they will talk ABOUT Him.....but as if He were a buzzword. A mantra. Or - to get to the point - a convenient corporate logo & medium of control. <br /><br />You will not see manifested in them Christ, as they really do not believe in (or have not attempted to integrate into themselves)....the Gospe;. The true teaching of Jesus. <br /><br />Theirs is a religion or externals; not internals. They often talk at great length of internals.....but never really 'get' what Jesus taught. <br /><br />They are all about 'pay, pray & obey'; not "Love the Lord you God with all your heart & soul - and love your neighbor as yourself". <br /><br />Their groups & rhetoric has effectively made most of them fanatics - as that is what they are all about. This is also most firmly condemned by Christ. They use what are tantamount to brainwashing techniques, of a cultlike nature, to establish & maintain control over their adherents. <br /><br />This is an excellent breeding ground for 'Manchurain Candidates'; made intentionally or otherwise;. All done via the principles of compartmentalization & plausible deniability. <br /><br />So, yes - the SSPX is very much part of the mileau which created the assassin of Dr. Tiller.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-20060354062348766562009-06-13T07:03:09.360-06:002009-06-13T07:03:09.360-06:00It is truly idiotic journalism to link Tiller'...It is truly idiotic journalism to link Tiller's shooting with SSPX in this fashion. Truly. You should confess this. It truly gives scandal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-6808293992718947562009-06-12T13:02:38.137-06:002009-06-12T13:02:38.137-06:00"On the other hand, a political pissing match..."On the other hand, a political pissing match between Opus Dei, the Knights of Malta, and other very wealthy conservative Catholic groups with the NAR could be quite interesting."<br /><br /><br />....let's just say they are having "Family Troubles"....as they all collaborate at a certain level (e.g. pro-life groups/activism), & are members of the same think tanks. But as you say, their differences are showing.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-56985175549531293752009-06-11T20:26:04.572-06:002009-06-11T20:26:04.572-06:00This idea of a Catholic corporate state is truly f...This idea of a Catholic corporate state is truly frightening and I really do believe it's an idea that underpins the philosophy of the neo cons and many conservative traditional Catholics who are politically motivated by the culture wars.<br /><br />It's a parallel kind of thing to the Evangelical's New Apostolic Reformation. The fact these two groups are coallescing together is mind boggling given NAR's attitude towards Catholicism. I guarantee the NAR will use conservative Catholics strictly for their own political advantage and then drop them like hot potatoes.<br /><br />Conservatives need to look to the enemy with in, Gingrich and other Evangleical converts are Catholic in name only.<br /><br />On the other hand, a political pissing match between Opus Dei, the Knights of Malta, and other very wealthy conservative Catholic groups with the NAR could be quite interesting. We could see a battle of the exorcists! :)colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-45818807549991670252009-06-11T18:50:01.599-06:002009-06-11T18:50:01.599-06:00There is a palpable link in the ideology of French...There is a palpable link in the ideology of French Royalists and the infamous (and literal Nazi) Vichy regime in France, with that of the SSPX & its denizens. The proof of this may be found in online forums & blogs frequented by their enthusiasts.<br /><br />During the Williamson affair they were lauding him & spewing quite vile Anti- Semitic rhetoric which would make a KKK member blush! <br /><br />Marcel Lefebvre had plenty of his own curious connections......<br /><br />You will see the mindset manifest itself in the virulently anti Muslim rants & desires for Catholic Corporate Statism....and for the 'great king & holy pope'. They are virtually at one with Opus Dei on these matters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-43026096328438647592009-06-11T18:36:18.718-06:002009-06-11T18:36:18.718-06:00Hopefully, the German Bishops Conference will cont...Hopefully, the German Bishops Conference will continue to stand their ground too.Phillip Clarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-67447297835350563852009-06-11T17:09:17.653-06:002009-06-11T17:09:17.653-06:00I totally agree with you Phillip. The last thing w...I totally agree with you Phillip. The last thing we need are SSPX Priest infesting the globe with their poisonous views with the blessings of the Pope. They need to be stood up to as the headline in this blog says.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-90087346807512559072009-06-11T16:57:12.712-06:002009-06-11T16:57:12.712-06:00The Holy Father's message to the Holy Land on ...The Holy Father's message to the Holy Land on equal and definitive rights and borders for both the Israelis and Palestinians was indeed a beautiful occurance and completely in-sync with President Obama's hopes and aspirations for the region. It would be very disturbing, and highly counterproductive, to rehabilitate the SSPX in any way right now. Doing so, would just widen the chasm even further which has been created between the Catholic and Jewish world in the wake of Bishop Williamson's rehabilitation. Hopefully, His Holiness will genuinely understand the ramifications this would cause throughout the world, if he doesn't understand fully now let's continue to pray for him and for the sake of Catholic-Jewish dialogue that he will not continue down this road of destruction in making more and more accomodations for the SSPX.Phillip Clarknoreply@blogger.com