tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post5557410877299234124..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Loyal Roman Soldiers Upholding The Power Of The Empirecolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-25789224309248644082010-04-04T16:50:32.278-06:002010-04-04T16:50:32.278-06:00Colleen -
You're welcome!
Pope Sylvester I ...Colleen - <br /><br />You're welcome!<br /><br />Pope Sylvester I was the right hand man of Constantine, who (oddly..) did not even attend the Council of Nicea. <br />He is also famous for association with the forged 'Donation of Constantine'.....<br /><br />...which, despite having been debunked several centuries earlier, was taught to us as FACTUAL in Catholic schools as recently as the 60s & 70s! <br /><br />You might also find it interesting to note that Pope Sylvester II, Thomas Aquinas & his mentor Albertus Magnus had something in common:<br /><br />They each owned a 'Talking head' or 'Brazen Head'. <br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazen_Head<br /><br />Though many try to hide or downplay the link with Aquinas, it is very real. It also both casts things in a new light - and poses many questions....<br /><br /><br />Anon Y. MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-24197491409798033122010-04-03T15:05:48.997-06:002010-04-03T15:05:48.997-06:00Anon, I want to thank you for your comments becaus...Anon, I want to thank you for your comments because I have learned more from you, and had my research more directed than I have from anyone in a long long time. Thank you.<br /><br />I'm still working on researching what I can on Pope Sylvester II. How interesting that the first Sylvester was Constantine's contemporary.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-18322373339951284002010-04-03T12:42:01.430-06:002010-04-03T12:42:01.430-06:00The question of exactly HOW the ordained/ministeri...The question of exactly HOW the ordained/ministerial priesthood worked in the early Church seems shrouded in mystery. Rather like the early rite(s) of the Mass. <br /><br />Good luck trying to research either of those! <br /><br />We do know that there was some sort of 'ordination', at least in the formal sense of confirming the person in ministry by the laying on of hands & invoking the Holy Spirit. But there is one critical difference:<br /><br />The 'priest' (if that term was even REALLY used...) had not exalted demi-god status. Likewise for the bishops. They were very close to & lived as equals among the ppl whom they served. The concepts of equality & servant status were very much of prime importance. <br /><br />At the time of the Council of Nicea, there were 1800 bishops in the world. Today there are some 2500, covering a vastly greater physical & numerical territory. This indicates that in the early church, the Bishops were well known & close to the ppl they served. We also know that in many cases, the laity elected them - sometimes by acclamation. This was good - as it discouraged an 'old boys network'. <br /><br />The 'problem' of the desire among some clergy for such a network had arisen long before Nicea. But was stamped out repeatedly, as being contrary to the Gospel. <br /><br />The proponents of that 'network' won at Nicea in 325AD. But that Council, called AND chaired by Constantine (NOT the then pope, who was not even there!), was only attended by slightly less then 300 bishops (275-300 by most sources)<br /><br />That is about 15%, which would not be acceptable in most parliamentary circles. Or in any logic! As whatever was decided in said Council was to be binding upon the whole Church. So.....what happened to the other 1500 bishops? Were they not invited? Invitations sent out late, intentionally? Did they refuse to attend knowing that evil was afoot? Or were they simply 'univited'?<br /><br />While several of these elements likely came into play, we may never know the whole truth....in this world. But that scant 15% +/- screams....HIJACKING. <br /><br />Anon Y. MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-56075417245067239072010-04-03T06:52:27.298-06:002010-04-03T06:52:27.298-06:00That the abuse and cover-ups go way, way back, as ...That the abuse and cover-ups go way, way back, as does the top-down dictatorial structure of the hierarchy in the church, is one thing. That it continues today, at a time when people are exposed to information on a daily, even hourly basis and when all European nations are now democratic ones, well that makes it all the worse as the evidence trickles out one day, pours out another, and as the Vatican itself almost daily inflames the inferno!<br /><br />Who can remain a Catholic as this continues? (Find yourself a nice Orthodox parish as I have.)TheraPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684120043427738135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-75649336811622391162010-04-03T00:15:09.261-06:002010-04-03T00:15:09.261-06:00And now.....the 'Smoking Gun":
Senior Am...And now.....the 'Smoking Gun":<br /><br />Senior American Priest Warned Vatican Over Sex Abuse Priests in 1963<br /><br />http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Senior-American-priest-warned-Vatican-over-pedophile-priests-in-1963-89778082.html<br /><br />"....The Rev Gerald Fitzgerald sent a letter to Pope Paul VI in 1963 outlining his concerns over the "problem of the problem priest."<br /><br />The letter is damning evidence that the Vatican was fully aware – or should have been – of the sexual abuse which spiraled out of control within the American Church.<br /><br />Fitzgerald strongly recommended that such pedophile priests be defrocked rather than shuttled from parish to parish, as was the practice in Ireland and the U.S.<br /><br />Fitzgerald, who founded the Servants of the Paraclete, was so convinced that the priests would be repeat offenders that he even tried to buy an island to isolate them from the general public.<br /><br />Fitzgerald discussed the issue with both the Pope and several American bishops.<br /><br />"Personally, I am not sanguine of the return of priests to active duty, who have been addicted to abnormal practices, especially sins with the young," Fitzgerald wrote. "Where there is indication of incorrigibility, because of the tremendous scandal given, I would most earnestly recommend total laicisation. I say 'total'... because when these men are taken before civil authority, the non-Catholic world definitely blames the discipline of celibacy for the perversion of these men."<br /><br /> Fitzgerald was not just sending the letter in the hope that it might be read.<br /><br />He had been asked to write the letter by none other than Pope Paul VI who met with Fitzgerald in the U.S. to talk about cases of abuse in the US.<br /><br />The letter has been discovered by lawyers acting for victims of alleged sexual abuse in Los Angeles.<br /><br />The letter proves Vatican officials knew about clergy abuse decades ago and should have done more to protect children," said lawyer Anthony DeMarco.<br /><br />But Church officials in Los Angeles are claiming it was unlikely that Pope Paul VI ever saw the letter - even though the Pope had commissioned it."<br /><br />As the Arabs say: "they lie like rug". <br /><br />Smoking Gun? More like 1000s of them!<br /><br />On the heels of this, MSNBC ran an article (sorry no link) that the Vatican claims the Pope cannot be forced to testify or be prosecuted as a head of state. <br /><br />...this is gonna get nasty. <br /><br />Anon Y. MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-10264647112272139412010-04-02T21:02:30.795-06:002010-04-02T21:02:30.795-06:00TheraP I think the kingdom has been more or less b...TheraP I think the kingdom has been more or less bent or perverted for quite a number of centuries. About the time it was decided to elevate community celebrants to ordained priests. Bad idea and not well supported in the New Testament.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-6873707515321811802010-04-02T20:20:01.193-06:002010-04-02T20:20:01.193-06:00Yes, psychotic means they've lost their bearin...Yes, psychotic means they've lost their bearings and are no longer moored to reality. Plus, this is beginning to look more and more like cult behavior we are seeing here. A bunch of lemmings headed for a cliff! <br /><br />Jesus: "Come to me all you who labor and are heavily laden... and you will find rest for your souls." <br /><br />Anon has given us the Woes against those who would lay heavy burdens, etc. Versus Jesus who lifts those burdens and gives us the "Rest" promised throughout the Old Testament as well. <br /><br />It seems to me that we have, in the words of Jesus, the way to "test" whether or not someone who claims his mantle (any cleric, prelate, or pope) actually deserves it. Is the person a servant? A foot-washer? Someone who lifts burdens and provides "rest"? Who is merciful to the least among us? <br /><br />Or are they in the business of burdening others? Enslaving them? Denying them safety and "rest"? <br /><br />My heart aches as I consider the depth and breadth of all of this. Not only have they "gone round the bend" - but they are bending and perverting the very "Kingdom of God" which Jesus announced!TheraPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684120043427738135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-8585320372086636072010-04-02T16:59:26.139-06:002010-04-02T16:59:26.139-06:00Exactly TheraP. N A R C I S S I S T I C.
No remo...Exactly TheraP. N A R C I S S I S T I C.<br /><br />No remorse for their causing the abuse scandal in the first place by not dealing with it appropriately, placing themselves above the law, above everyone even God, and the total denial of the suffering and misery they caused and brought to thousands of victims. <br /><br />We bear testimony to the Vatican's selfish and self-centered remorse for themselves, as if they are the abused victims! How dare anyone report the Truth, to care about the victims, the real victims of abuse. They are so narcissistic that they don't believe anyone else can know or report the Truth. If there is one thing a narcissist hates, it is the Truth of their behavior that they refuse to look at and examine. That gets them angrier. They can't stand it!!! They have no humility. No empathy for others. No desire to change themselves for they feel they are always right and everyone else is wrong and hurting them. The only thing that's really hurting is their Pride.<br /><br />Yes, a great big Holy Week Pity Party for the Pope & the Vatican. No remorse for those victims that hang on the cross that they ignore and will not lift a finger to help them.<br /><br />Very sick situation as they will work harder to lay burdens on others, to shift the focus off of themselves. This is what control freaks do.<br /><br />Colleen, I highlighted your quote because it is so true and it makes me so angry too.<br /><br />I've had to deal with narcissists and it is not pleasant to be around them and they hate me because I tell the truth.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-9614984924383272552010-04-02T16:38:29.728-06:002010-04-02T16:38:29.728-06:00"The men in the Vatican have reached a new lo..."The men in the Vatican have reached a new low and it clearly spells E V I L and P S Y C H O T I C."<br /><br />Perhaps now is the time to very carefully re-read the 23rd chapter of Matthew. It was 'spoken' to the Temple Masters of Jerusalem in 33AD. Yet Jesus was speaking in prophecy.....it was aimed at the Vatican. <br /><br />If you cannot accept this at face value, note this: the Aramaic which Christ would have spoken does not have the delineation of future tense as English does. Now read the 23rd Chapter of Matthew......are the lenses beginning to pull into focus?<br /><br />"...woe to you, Scribes & Pharisees, for you travel the land & sea to make one convert, and once made, he is then twice as fit for hell as you are yourselves..."<br /><br />Question: did the Jews, then or now, actively proseletyze....seeking converts? No. That Post-Constantinian Church is the group which has been in the convert business. <br /><br />"....that build the sepulchers of the prophets & adorn the momuments of the just...."<br /><br />The last time I checked, the Jews were not in the "relic business', nor building multiple tourist traps...er....pilgrimage sites of the tombs of those whom they hold up for veneration........including:<br /><br />"..prophets, wise men & scribes which I send you...whom you scourge, crucify & put to death...persecute from city to city..."<br /><br />Like Joan of Arc, Archbishop Oscar Romero........Jan Huss.....<br /><br />Christ established what we refer to as 'the Church' to gently guide ppl to God. The Gospel & the Faith has reached souls usually IN SPITE OF the Church organization....not because of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-74463975324821453632010-04-02T16:03:08.048-06:002010-04-02T16:03:08.048-06:00These people are so narcissistic! It's a Pity...These people are so narcissistic! It's a Pity Party. And they're wallowing in it!TheraPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684120043427738135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-42996535865705051052010-04-02T15:40:00.660-06:002010-04-02T15:40:00.660-06:00"It angers me no end that any bishop would da..."It angers me no end that any bishop would dare to imply the Church hangs on that cross because of publicity they generated themselves. No, their victims hang on that cross while they sit at the foot and haggle like the Roman soldiers they are over what's left of the spoils."<br /><br />The men in the Vatican have reached a new low and it clearly spells E V I L and P S Y C H O T I C.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.com