tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post5644654670576315445..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: TAC Bishops Are Beginning To Think The Grass May Not Be GREENER On The Other Side Of The Tibercolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-70185511565824743162010-05-08T18:28:05.835-06:002010-05-08T18:28:05.835-06:00## The poaching was bad - but: if people are going...## The poaching was bad - but: if people are going to become RCs, ISTM they should be welcomed. Any genuine conversion is by God's grace - & God is well able to use man's wrong-doing as the mean of His own well-doing. So in any genuine conversions, no matter what the appearances, the God of Grace is at work. <br /><br />Converts have found their fellow-Catholics unwelcoming, even resentful; and things should not be made more difficult for converts than they need be. <br /><br />Some members of the converts to the CC in the TAC may be gay-bashers, but why suppose the worst of all of them ?Rat-biternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-54892837558170000112010-05-07T10:31:08.861-06:002010-05-07T10:31:08.861-06:00John, I think Mouse may have been referencing the ...John, I think Mouse may have been referencing the Institute for Religion and Democracy. IRD has been waging a war against the mainline protestant churches who like TEC have a strong social justice stance. This covert war has been going on for quite awhile and also involves the Methodists and Presbyterians and ECLA.<br /><br />IRD has also spent bunches of money backing Akinola and other conservative African prelates. IRD is hugely influenced by neo con Catholics.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-73822515657102242212010-05-07T08:08:11.917-06:002010-05-07T08:08:11.917-06:00Anon Y. Mouse said:
Note that they who used the t...Anon Y. Mouse said:<br /><br />Note that they who used the term are from elements very close to Opus Dei:<br /><br />1) Hispanic, and 2) Evangelical/Charismatic.<br /><br />The latter element, in or outside of the Roman church is very much a project of the Opus. Cloaked in plausible deniability. As a clue - it is these elements which have virtually destroyed the mainline Protestant denominations in the US. The mainline churches are dead or dying; the cult-like Evangelicals are full to the brim.<br /><br />If you need further clarification of this, just ask. <br />~~~~~~~~~~~~<br />John says:<br />I should note that Eastern Orthodox also routinely use the word 'temple' in reference to their church buildings. Perhaps a connection, perhaps not? <br /><br />As for the Evangelical Protestants destroying mainline churches, well, they've certainly benefited by the decline in numbers in mainline groups. 'Dead or dying' is a bit over the top. Something like 70% of the active membership in my (Anglo-Catholic) Episcopal parish and similar TEC parishes are made up of disenchanted R.C.'s and evangelicals. My point is that not all non-Roman Catholic or evangelical parishes are dying. Hardly. But perhaps I miss your point. <br /><br />Thanks. Feel free to clarify here or offline (see my avatar). <br />Johnjohn iliff https://www.blogger.com/profile/02302505584191566477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-47336785684353880682010-05-06T22:23:17.650-06:002010-05-06T22:23:17.650-06:00Mouse, I have discussed these same concepts with N...Mouse, I have discussed these same concepts with Native American elders. They are very much aware of the inner demensional aspect of these beings and their capacity to move back and forth in time.<br /><br />They are also very much aware of our capacity to move back and forth in time and set a different future for ourselves.<br /><br />I remember very vividly one of them looking me right in the eye, which is unusual for this tribe, and telling me he thought some of what passed for alien sightings were really our future humanity manifesting in our time to change their present or collect better non mutated genetics.<br /><br />He said the ceremonies they did were in a quantum sense stop this from happening and chart a different future. I asked him point blank if he wasn't discussing using time travel or shamanic journey, as a weapon. He said, that's one way to look at it, but it could also be using our capacity to move through time to insure our own better future and the key to acheiving this was love for our present and hope for our children's children. That fear, which is the true killer, can not exist in love and we must build a sustainable future based in love.<br /><br />I don't think OD and their evangelical counterparts want a future based in love, because they are so thoroughly controlled by fear. I will fight their future every which way I can.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-56541356332078295322010-05-06T12:34:08.947-06:002010-05-06T12:34:08.947-06:00Colleen -
By definition, a demon is an 'inte...Colleen - <br /><br />By definition, a demon is an 'interdimensional entity'. As they were created by God in Eternity (outside of Time/Space). They like Angels (the good guys...) are capable of interdimensional travel. <br /><br />In other words, they can enter/leave "Time/Space". This is sometimes defined as 'time travel'. This is also a clue as to the Physics of 'Bilocation'...ala Padre Pio. In his case, God made it possible for him to do & experience this. Ditto for Enoch. <br /><br />For reasons I will not go into publicly, Groeschel is a 'controlled controller'. He has 'handlers' and for all practical purposes, you would think that he Bilocates. I am dropping a hint here.<br /><br />Now contemplate how he is the 'official counselor' to abuser priests, for decades.......you mentioned planting code words/instructions......<br /><br />Colleen - let me cut to the chase: <br /><br />Do you realize that everything you have said to me in this reply is - expressed in psychological terms - what is contained in the Prophecy of La Salette?<br /><br />If you have not read it, find a COMPLETE & non-OD edited version. You will be quite shocked. <br /><br />Anon Y. MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-84057489701487549122010-05-05T21:55:41.638-06:002010-05-05T21:55:41.638-06:00I meant to answer your question about the MKULTA p...I meant to answer your question about the MKULTA project BLUEBIRD and the adding of alternate personalities. <br /><br />Some therapists who work in attachment therapy are of the opinion that certain personalities are either deceased walk ins, which function similar to full blown possession but only under certain circumstances, or they are purposely invited into the victim under ritual conditions at which time these alternates would be given specific instructions on when to manifest and what to do. They could then be called forth by pre planted code words by 'handlers'.<br /><br />Some folks--victims seem to think these are alien--as in inner demensional entities, others think they are demonic. Either one works for me because they both describe the same truly evil energy and the same predatory motivation that has the same result of producing emotional chaos in order to feed and control.<br /><br />This should be sufficiently out in left field for most people. Of course the pay off for the handlers are controlled people with the capacity to operate outside normal time/space/matter reality. To seemingly create miracles.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-39411593648166095782010-05-05T21:17:24.809-06:002010-05-05T21:17:24.809-06:00Colleen -
Groeschel has had involvement in child...Colleen - <br /><br />Groeschel has had involvement in child care institutions since he joined the Capuchins in the late50s/early 60s. I find that disturbing, in light of his long term connections with these other elements. <br /><br />"I read the entirety of the Course in Miracles as a aid for falling asleep."<br /><br />ROFL!!!<br /><br />As to the 'good' elements in ACIM, true there is some. Just enough to be attractive; to appear innocent. <br /><br />"Aren't the Groeschel CFR's associated with Stubenville?"<br /><br />...you would think they are everywhere at once!Their HQ is in NYC, but they have spread far & wide, even to the UK & Carribean.<br /><br />Steubenville is where Opus Dei meets the Evangelical crowd. A strange brew. A true nexus of ppl assocated with EWTN. But they venerate Groeschel there. I think he is on their Board, along with Ave Maria U.<br /><br />Anytime I hear of untrained young ppl - clerical OR lay administering exorcisms, that is a clear danger signal. They know not what they do. An inexperienced wannabe exorcist is ripe for possession him/herself. This should not be fooled with. Not without experienced clerical/mental health professional advice & supervision.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-2699520970711228112010-05-05T21:01:07.868-06:002010-05-05T21:01:07.868-06:00Butterfly -
"Mouse, he looked like a figure...Butterfly - <br /><br />"Mouse, he looked like a figure from a horror movie."<br /><br />...does this remind you of our anybody in particular?<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Schreck.jpg<br /><br />I was resisting mentioning the imagery, but after watching him, the simlarities are....interesting. <br /><br />For those with 1:16 to spare, a trailer video:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr4lfgrAgEM<br /><br />For those with 84 minutes to spare (the complete film):<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcyzubFvBsA<br /><br />In light of the Masonic symbolism referenced earlier, the document Count Orlock reads about the purchase of the old abbey....is written in Enochian. <br /><br />Anon Y. MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-36849032119331883022010-05-05T20:22:19.117-06:002010-05-05T20:22:19.117-06:00OK you're right, the Course In Miracles inform...OK you're right, the Course In Miracles information was fascinating. So was the information that both Groeschel and Wapnick worked in children's mental institutions before the State of NY cleaned up it's institutional mess.<br /><br />I read the entirety of the Course in Miracles as a aid for falling asleep. I can remember thinking distinctly that if Jesus truly channeled it he made a big mistake channeling through a Freudian trained psychiatrist. Totally boring and too frequently incomprehensible. I have to admit some of the daily exercises can be very good. But I think you and I both know, in the wrong hands with the wrong application, these exercises can also be devastating.<br /><br />Aren't the Groeschel CFR's associated with Stubenville? I have heard some strange anectdotal stories about what goes on in the residence halls in Stubenville such as student Resident Assistants performing exorcism rituals on other students. If true, that's pretty dangerous stuff.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-44952352049052041592010-05-05T18:59:25.541-06:002010-05-05T18:59:25.541-06:00"My overall impression of him is: 'icky&#..."My overall impression of him is: 'icky'. I cannot put my finger on it....but I do not want to be alone in a room with him. Nor would I allow a child to be."<br /><br />Mouse, he looked like a figure from a horror movie. He is not someone to be trusted. I sensed no light from him and least of any type of compassion for anyone. Correct: he said nothing at all of value. He uses code, buzz words, that those around him are familiar with as they have had the buzz words dripped one drop at a time into their brains.<br /><br />Jezebel, it seems to me, is code for women priests or feminist, or women who are not submissive to his "authority."<br /><br />That's just one example I gleaned from his jibber jabber. The others were "culture of death" the "NY Times" "liberals" etc.<br /><br />Opus Dei's concept of "culture of death" is what they are actually creating.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-75124170072003132722010-05-05T18:41:08.113-06:002010-05-05T18:41:08.113-06:00It just occurred to me that the seemingly obscure ...It just occurred to me that the seemingly obscure use of the word 'Temple' in re a church building is something I have only encountered from Hispanic elements. <br /><br />Evangelical or Charismatic one......but never Roman Catholic, that I can recall (they would say 'Iglesia', never 'Templo'). <br /><br />Note that they who used the term are from elements very close to Opus Dei:<br /><br />1) Hispanic, and 2) Evangelical/Charismatic. <br /><br />The latter element, in or outside of the Roman church is very much a project of the Opus. Cloaked in plausible deniability. As a clue - it is these elements which have virtually destroyed the mainline Protestant denominations in the US. The mainline churches are dead or dying; the cult-like Evangelicals are full to the brim.<br /><br />If you need further clarification of this, just ask. <br /><br />Anon Y. MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-86833880626026272172010-05-05T18:29:34.027-06:002010-05-05T18:29:34.027-06:00Ah....it might be possible to see it during their ...Ah....it might be possible to see it during their daily broadcast of Benediction, which is filmed at the 'Temple'. It is shown at least twice daily - and included wide aerial shots from a cam mounted up high in the rear of the building. <br /><br />There is likely a schedule for this on the EWTN site.....worth making a point to watch it! Thanks. <br /><br />Anon Y. MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-50971100042955078822010-05-05T16:51:25.116-06:002010-05-05T16:51:25.116-06:00It's a large floor mosaic on the left side of ...It's a large floor mosaic on the left side of the sanctuary, if you are facing the altar. THere's also one on the right side, but the one on the left tweaked my radar. <br /><br />I wish I would have copied the photo when I first saw it, but I didn't.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-45067126835493109782010-05-05T14:21:45.719-06:002010-05-05T14:21:45.719-06:00Butterfly -
Your comments on Rutler are wonderfu...Butterfly - <br /><br />Your comments on Rutler are wonderful! I have had more then a few OD types say how 'wonderful his sermons are'.<br /><br />Wonderful...how? I defy anyone here to watch his EWTN show 'Christ in the City"....and tell me exactly what the hell he is talking about! As you indicate, he does not say anything of value. And often makes no point at all O.o<br /><br />Yet it is very obvious that he knows WHAT he is saying & has a large knowledge base. <br /><br />His gestures are dated; of another era, yet very odd. Some have suggested that they could have some masonic or cultic connotation, but I am not up on my 'handjive'. <br /><br />Sheen had his own peculiar style - very dated & very much of an old style stage actor/orator/elocutionist. BUT his talks had a logical flow. Rutler's do not.<br /><br />One wonders whether he has ever actually watched a video of himself, as a positive self critque. Any good actor would do this, to iron out kinks in style or gesture 'tics'.<br /><br />Considering the level of his intellect & detail consciousness, I have to assume that most of the stage persona & gestures are intentional. Yet some (left hand in cassock) may be unconscious clues....that he is not what he seems. <br /><br />Left hand = 'Sinastra'...the sinister....kept nominally but obviously concealed.<br /><br />My overall impression of him is: 'icky'. I cannot put my finger on it....but I do not want to be alone in a room with him. Nor would I allow a child to be. <br /><br />Colleen - can you possible expound on or clue me in more about what you said here? I sort of remember what you are speaking of, but my memory is fuzzy:<br /><br />"Good ole Mother Angelica seems to have a circle in her Temple sanctuary which is loaded with Masonic symbolism. You used to be able to see it on the EWTN website, but now the photo which showed that floor pattern is gone. The floor masons came from Spain. Are you shocked?"<br /><br />No - I am not shocked. As the persons who surrounded, manipulated & eventually took over her & EWTN were profoundly evil. And linked to this Spanish element....<br /><br /><br />Anon Y. MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-68249731533357087422010-05-05T11:50:04.185-06:002010-05-05T11:50:04.185-06:00ODC also stands for Opportunistically Destructive ...ODC also stands for Opportunistically Destructive Church. Had to add that!! LOL!!butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-6329094422942970302010-05-05T10:32:49.004-06:002010-05-05T10:32:49.004-06:00{Oddly cynical on Rome's part to give pope-ing...{Oddly cynical on Rome's part to give pope-ing ex-Anglican bishops the right to the insignia of a Catholic bishop, when these very bishop's orders have always been **utterly null and void** all along. Breathtaking chutzpah, imho.}<br /><br />Anon I had the exact same thought. It's like the Vatican was tacitly admitting they felt if they gave in on the princely symbols the schismatic TAC bishops would over look the loss of all their other perks. Which says what about the mentality of the men in the Vatican? No wonder St Escriva went to such lengths to procure his own noble title--and sainthood.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-10356328878575909022010-05-05T09:46:36.412-06:002010-05-05T09:46:36.412-06:00The mannerisms he had with his right arm definitel...The mannerisms he had with his right arm definitely reminded me of the speakers during the 1930s and 40's. I wondered what in the heck he was doing with the thumb and index finger that seem to make a big zero or a circle and with the remaining fingers in the air for a spell as his arm was raised. Weird.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-31038501681333343562010-05-05T08:51:42.000-06:002010-05-05T08:51:42.000-06:00Nope! ;0Nope! ;0TheraPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684120043427738135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-83903533255386511672010-05-05T08:48:12.609-06:002010-05-05T08:48:12.609-06:00I kept wondering why he consistently had his left ...I kept wondering why he consistently had his left hand in the pocket of his cassock.<br /><br />Actually he reminded me of Bishop Sheehan. Only I don't think Sheehan would have kept saying superfisssiality.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-10150291021307764022010-05-05T08:20:56.433-06:002010-05-05T08:20:56.433-06:00Thanks Mouse for the link to Rutler's rant. W...Thanks Mouse for the link to Rutler's rant. What a rant!!<br /><br />He reminds me a little of Lyndon LaRouche, in that he knows what he is talking about, but damned if he really says anything at all that you might benefit from. <br /><br />There is a lot of projection going on in his little feuerer-like speech on superficiality. Rev. Rutler is perhaps one of the most superficial pastors I've heard in a while. He certainly offers no hope for anyone who might not agree with him. There is mention of Jesus from him as suffering, but Jesus is in the past and he does not pastor those he's speaking to or concerned at all about their being drawn closer to Christ at all. He's only concerned with making insulting and dehumanizing notions of the "reality" he sees.<br /><br />He doesn't fool me and he's trying to come off as an angel of light - and for the superficial who have taken the dark for light, he's their pastor, and right to the fascism that he projects.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-3059777334389604532010-05-05T05:39:15.318-06:002010-05-05T05:39:15.318-06:00What, no comment from TheraP?What, no comment from TheraP?RomanRenegadenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-57561808716982559482010-05-04T19:55:11.546-06:002010-05-04T19:55:11.546-06:00Hateful old men too blind to see.
Why does the RC...Hateful old men too blind to see.<br /><br />Why does the RCC want to bring in the SPX holocaust deniers, the racists, the sexists, the anti-semites, the misogynists, the conservative rats jumping off every other sinking vessel in Christendom?<br /><br />Can't anyone do the math? Let's see if we were more inclusive in our decision making, were a bit more collegial, included more lay people in the college, listened to the hopes and dreams, the troubles and trials of the "Church", if we were to repent and resolve our failings of abuse and predatory sexuality would we lose fewer people? If we were to use the talents, I think that's a Biblical term, of the highly educated, the skills, the knowledge, the aptitudes of women and the laity in the decision making process, if we invited all to join in the celebration...<br /><br />Nah... there might be some feminists, some homosexuals, some scientists, some liberals, some people who believe in human rights, maybe even a few socialists in that crowd of 100 million. A smaller purer Church is preferable.<br /><br />Catholic means misfit doesn't it? <br /><br />p2p<br /><br />* This comment is snark, contains no bad URL links, is the pure, unadulterated opinion of one p2p who is not under the influence of the grape.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-33676920771996108952010-05-04T16:52:03.594-06:002010-05-04T16:52:03.594-06:00Interesting comments, Colleen. If I may assume mos...Interesting comments, Colleen. If I may assume most of your readers are Roman Catholic, perhaps it may be helpful from one who's "swam the Thames" and become an Anglo-Catholic to point out a couple of things.<br /><br />Bear in mind that the so-called TAC is a schismatic group that broke with official Anglicanism years ago. As for the 'Forward in Faith' group, nominally and cynically still fishing from the Anglican boat, these are two separate groups simultaneously being wooed by Rome. But both are extreme Anglo-Catholics. <br /><br />The vast majority of rank and file Anglo-Catholics either here in the US or in the UK are not going anywhere, and have never had any intention of defecting. They've made their peace with women priests and bishops, and furthermore, their clergy are not about to be 're-ordained' to make themselves "proper" Catholics. They already are ~ no matter how loudly Rome pontificates to the contrary. (Apostolicae Curae and other cynical political nonsense not withstanding). <br /><br />{Oddly cynical on Rome's part to give pope-ing ex-Anglican bishops the right to the insignia of a Catholic bishop, when these very bishop's orders have always been **utterly null and void** all along. Breathtaking chutzpah, imho.}<br /><br />These folks knocking on Rome's door like to loudly pretend they are the lone faithful remnant of pure Anglican Catholics, when in fact they are nothing of the sort, the only sort they are ... are extremists shamelessly disloyal to the Churches in which they made their ordination vows.john iliff https://www.blogger.com/profile/02302505584191566477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-43059068857984820792010-05-04T15:47:12.666-06:002010-05-04T15:47:12.666-06:00Good ole Mother Angelica seems to have a circle in...Good ole Mother Angelica seems to have a circle in her Temple sanctuary which is loaded with Masonic symbolism. You used to be able to see it on the EWTN website, but now the photo which showed that floor pattern is gone. The floor masons came from Spain. Are you shocked?colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-5247911425516494252010-05-04T15:20:42.745-06:002010-05-04T15:20:42.745-06:00Colleen -
Here is George lecturing on 'Super...Colleen - <br /><br />Here is George lecturing on 'Superficiality'. Which is somewhere between ironic & hysterical,considering the vain & superficial twit who is speaking:<br /><br />http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6612391125753450505#docid=-7620117678286856291<br /><br />One should note the Masonic floor pattern he is standing one:)<br /><br />Quite appropriate for him - on many levels....<br /><br />Anon Y. MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com