tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post5940905550516640963..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Some Of Australia's True Shepherds Are Saying Enough Is Enoughcolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-4931879737001919782011-05-06T08:45:44.457-06:002011-05-06T08:45:44.457-06:00Anon, I found your comment in the SPAM bin, so I&#...Anon, I found your comment in the SPAM bin, so I'm late getting it posted. Long comments wind up in the SPAM bin.<br /><br />If the Roman Catholic church was as strong as you say, it would have the strength to entertain the thoughts of the progressive wing of the Church. The fact it silences and punishes the left, but invites even the most schismatic of the right to come to the table, says it's weak and afraid.<br /><br />I don't believe I pray to the same Jesus that Benedict does because we are two different people formed in two different times and cultures. The difference is I don't expect Benedict to pray to same view of Jesus I do, but the Church seems to be demanding I conform to Benedicts' view. In point of fact, all too frequently it seems the Church is demanding Jesus conform to Rome's official view.<br />When it gets to the point even Jesus must conform to Rome this truly defines a scared and weak church.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-14557875345474892482011-05-04T21:27:19.777-06:002011-05-04T21:27:19.777-06:00Hmmm...a christian catholic church? A catholic ch...Hmmm...a christian catholic church? A catholic church where <i>all</i> are welcome, where priesthood isn't confined to celibate men, where primacy of conscience is celebrated, what happens in your bedroom is your business and the gospel of love is both spoken and lived? <br /><br />I know where that kind of <a href="http://www.ecumenical-catholic-communion.org/index.html" rel="nofollow">catholic church</a> can be found.<br /><br />As the apostle Philip said, "Come and see for yourself."Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04200045196217644013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-80052198905950433952011-05-04T21:13:29.869-06:002011-05-04T21:13:29.869-06:00I invite you all to really read what the Australia...I invite you all to really read what the Australian Church is saying as a result of this episode.<br />Here are some of the messages:<br />1. The Australians who support Bishop Morris have the right view of what being Catholic is. The rest of us don't.<br />2. No one has a right to criticize Bishop Morris or anyone else with these views - as if no one has a plank in their own eyes?<br />3. The Pope leads an evil regime. Anyone who has read, watched or listened to the Pope knows that he is a lover of Christ who prays to the same Lord we do. Do you pray for him? with him? what does it mean to be Catholic if we don't? I've been reading an awful lot of hate across the blogosphere and the news, is that Christian Catholic?<br />4. The Vatican is an evil regime out to quash freedom of expression. A thorough examination reveals in a church of 1.8 billion a very small percentage of quashing and reveals a wide variety of dissent that is tolerated. <br />5.Few question Bishop Morris's claims. It is nice that he is trusted. I like friends like his but as an outsider I think his story should be questioned. For example - Bishop Morris claims he doesn't know the case against him - it must be about the 2006 letter. He hasn't seem Chaput's report. Yet, he admits to be in a five year conversation with the Vatican and has spoken to the Pope. I find it hard to believe that the conversation was one sided. I find it hard to believe that an intelligent man would know the meaning of each and every question they were asking. <br />6. Everything leads back to the sex abuse scandal. The Vatican did nothing about it and how dare they now sack the Bishop for women's ordination. Given the sex abuse scandal, the decision to sack the Bishop was probably NOT taken lightly. The Vatican may be lots of things but they aren't that stupid. So, Bishop Morris must have said "things" against the Roman Catholic, but perhaps not the Australian Catholic Christian Church, that makes him not able to preach in the Roman Catholic Church. It must have been enough evidence to support a claim that he violated canon law. <br />7. Lack of transparency is misdirection and we all know it. The Bishop is the disgruntled member of the organization whose right to privacy is being protected. Now, if you want all personnel laws in free countries to be abandoned - keep complaining. Of course they won't be abandoned and that's why we use them to complain and as a cover when we know the other side can't or won't tell all. <br />8. The message also is that the Roman Catholic Church is afraid. I think quite the opposite. The Roman Catholic Church is saying - this is what we believe, why we believe it and its willing to be persecuted for those beliefs.<br />9. Finally - to be Roman Catholic is not to be Christian - how often have Catholics heard that one,just seems to me it comes more often from Protestants for the reason that your professors have taught you - schism. <br /><br />I doubt you'll think I'm enlightened but I am sincerely saddened at the rhetoric and hate I have been reading for the past two days.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-47476458607819077972011-05-04T17:36:14.094-06:002011-05-04T17:36:14.094-06:00The term Christian Catholic goes back a very long ...The term Christian Catholic goes back a very long way in my life. It's how one of my theology profs described the Vat II Catholic vision as opposed to the Vat I vision. He said what Vatican II tried to do was to put the Christian back in Catholicism. Unfortunately we all know now, that Roman is more important than Christian. :)colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-64962018908341335262011-05-04T15:30:01.929-06:002011-05-04T15:30:01.929-06:00Christian Catholic - that's a good term to des...Christian Catholic - that's a good term to describe me and many of my family and friends. We need to support Bishop Morris and the priests in Australia. If the priests here saw that happen, maybe they would be less afraid of making waves.<br />As it is, I am hearing more and more priests speaking up about the treatment of women and gays in the Church. It's important when we hear a homily like this to make a favorable comment on it.Mary H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/18319596057433636243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-71923644746357743272011-05-04T14:55:22.676-06:002011-05-04T14:55:22.676-06:00Christian Catholic and not Roman Catholic. Maybe y...Christian Catholic and not Roman Catholic. Maybe you have hit the correct formula.<br />The church of Pope Ratzinger and Bishop Chaput certainly doesn't look to me like the church of Jesus Christ.Bill Wilsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-79540551824996437512011-05-04T01:42:03.967-06:002011-05-04T01:42:03.967-06:00Politics as usual in the RCC. No Peace of Jesus C...Politics as usual in the RCC. No Peace of Jesus Christ there in the Vatican. A priest can get a piece of a.s from a kid and be harbored, coddled, forgiven, live in a castle, cared for, but damn those priests that dare speak an opinion favorable to women - they are banned, excommunicated, silenced, gagged, thrown out and discarded!!!! It is just plain old sick and certainly not Christian for Chaput and Benedict to allow this to go on.<br /> <br />The entire group of Priests in Australia are doing a great service by supporting Bishop William Morris. <br /><br />The RCC leadership in the Vatican is a great tragedy with many enablers. They have too much power and they have abused it. Like the Gestapo, they will be crushed. I pray sooner rather than later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com