tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post6002369403987625708..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Back And More Stunned Than Evercolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-57973439400504166152010-03-05T17:09:32.861-07:002010-03-05T17:09:32.861-07:00Glad to have found some thinking Catholics. Thank ...Glad to have found some thinking Catholics. Thank you for giving me hope that all is not lost.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-73656233277114166032010-02-08T07:57:10.834-07:002010-02-08T07:57:10.834-07:00Alipius I must have hit some button with you becau...Alipius I must have hit some button with you because you focus on the side issues and not the main issue.<br /><br />That's one of my real issues with the apologists for the beaucratic Vatican. We are encouraged to be overwhelmed by the side issues rather than deal with the rot at the center.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-15791209422592193002010-02-07T20:48:08.039-07:002010-02-07T20:48:08.039-07:00Dear (Father?} Allpius,
I am sorry that your take...Dear (Father?} Allpius,<br /><br />I am sorry that your take on this message was so very negative, as I see it exactly the opposite way. I have seen several pictures of Father Rode in similar dress in different surroundings in both more traditional and in more progressive print. So I don't see it as all Vitriolic but only as this old man and aging mind exists. <br /><br />When you see the words perhaps as controlling or "nudging people in a certain direction" or another, I see it as a way of not being vitriolic but giving some benefit of the doubt that maybe someone of your position could attempt to answer. <br /><br />When I think about Rodes and all the projections that were sent his way in his youth, I think it likely that he got his authoritarian mind set way back then. What you think tasteless seems a way for a questioning mind to understand how such a man in such a high position so deadening both psychologically and spiritually. Needless to say, I see the authors comments as very appropriate and I would only ask you to think of the vitriol in yourself. <br /><br />This article shows once again the implosion of RCC leadership continues. They really don't care much about whom they hurt by attempting to kill carriers but only care about preserving themselves in a high position of an authoritarian structure. So many of the current day ethical structures and changes in societal ethics have not come from the church, but from what these men call secularism. If you do not agree with what they say and are attempting to grow and develop true spirituality, hope, and love, they attempt to kill off your mind with condemnation and excommunication. <br /><br />So, the major problems with the growth in societal ethical standards has not been as much secularism as it has been clericalism. As far as relativity goes: Simple algebra is always relative and not so simple theories are relative--<br /> 2<br />E=MC . So much in life depends on knowledge and observation and since we are finite beings our knowledge must be by definition always relative to what God knows. This is particularly true when we apply our judgements and ethics to others. It is always relative and we should understand what the clergy call relativism is there attempt to declare themselves correct. This is a defense mechanism attempting to intellectualize and preserve there own medieval structure that is in the midst of continued implosion. <br /><br />May we gain Grace through peace and understanding.<br /><br />R. Dennis Porch, MDrdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-37980388970913009412010-02-07T13:31:20.103-07:002010-02-07T13:31:20.103-07:00This is very disturbing. What about any of this is...This is very disturbing. What about any of this is "enlightened"?<br /><br />- You show a picture of Rode to satisfy the need for vitriolic outbursts on an ad-hominem level. After all, Cardinal Rode only ONCE wore the cappa magna, so you might as well have taken any of the dozens of photos that show him dressed like any cardinal. But that wouldn't have the crowd in stitches now, would it?<br /><br />- You start your comments with "perhaps" or phrase them as a question, which doesn't show a whole lot of enlightenment but just an attempt to nudge people into a certain direction.<br /><br />- The preferred direction seems to be one of tasteless and unqualified remarks ("Hitler youth") or of a naivety that is either genuine or pretended, both of which disqualifies you from commenting on the issue. Of course, you still have the RIGHT to keep these comments coming, but implying that the "culture of death" Rode talks about has anything to do with the culture he grew up in is beyond the pale and hence makes you look pretty unprofessional.<br /><br />BTW: The photo was taken at the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest. They have apostolates all over the world, for instance in Gabon, Africa. They educate children there and have a shizillion of black guys running around in their blue habit. Seems to me the Church still is bigger and wider and more open than "enlightened" minds, if even evil Renaissance princes like Rode support institutes that try to keep the faith alive everywhere.<br /><br />Sorry for the unfriendly outburst.Der Herr Alipiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07354181361476578154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-54180455091976055782010-02-06T16:08:40.410-07:002010-02-06T16:08:40.410-07:00"a stunning message in the depth of its patho...<i>"a stunning message in the depth of its pathology..."</i><br /><br />Wonderful description!<br /><br />Yes, we must cut no corners! It is crucial that all religious orders emulate the photo Colleen has put up. Knee breeches! Court clothing with long trains! Courtiers! <br /><br />All nuns must follow suit. Ideally prayer in solitude - while crocheting lace for the courtiers and cardinals. <br /><br />Let's hear it for a church which harks back to the days of yore with monarchs galore! Surely we can shun materialism and go back to the courtly lifestyle! What is wrong with these young people who don't dig showing off in such finery?TheraPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684120043427738135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-1818660424892683882010-02-06T12:27:47.395-07:002010-02-06T12:27:47.395-07:00Rohde is embarrassing. In fact, he is a Vincentia...Rohde is embarrassing. In fact, he is a Vincentian priest, a member of the Congregation of the Missions, founded as an apostolic order by Vincent dePaul. Would hazard a guess that poor Vinnie is turning over in his chapel grave in Paris when he hears something else from this CM. The charism of Vincentians is to train and education clergy and to do mission work....Rohde has been all over the place in his life but consistently he had been in Rome. Again, what his current vocation has to do with his original CM commitment is beyond me??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-12910421339146508942010-02-06T09:14:29.697-07:002010-02-06T09:14:29.697-07:00Good to see you back and with a great commentary a...Good to see you back and with a great commentary about Cardinal Rode. I read this article the other day and just did not know what in the world to say about it. Stunned is a good way to describe my reaction as well to Cardinal Rode from Slovenia.<br /><br />It seems Cardinal Rode still suffers from shell shock from the WWII era and still has the mentality of his childhood in his understanding of it. He seems to still be in that time, in a time lock capsule in which he is still a slave. Perhaps he shares that with Pope Benedict, and evidence suggests he does share a similar mentality and emotional connection to that time. They both seem locked in a fortress mentality. They take information that is healthy for the entire Church and they toss it into the garbage can as foreign. They seem brainwashed from their youth and your observation, Colleen, that <i>"(Perhaps Rode is slyly referencing the style of Opus Dei and the Legion who combine lay apostolates with consecrated religious and insinuate their view of Catholicism in ordinary dioceses.)" </i>seems to be what the Vatican will be pushing. These are the militants that he feels are needed to correct the world. They do have a macho and Euro-centric view of the world, a medieval theology, a retarded & deformed spirituality. Cardinal Rode and Benedict should wear SS boots because they seem to be in solidarity with the same sort of spirits.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-86929922693872773092010-02-06T04:48:54.967-07:002010-02-06T04:48:54.967-07:00The real reason for the "crisis" is abun...The real reason for the "crisis" is abundantly clear in the picture: in its obsession with medieval structures and procedures, as exemplified in the dress and rituals illustrated, too many religious orders are wholly removed from real life. <br /><br />It is not "secularism" that is the problem- but the attempt to create a living Church from the fossilised remains of the Council of Trent, where too much of it remains stuck.<br /><br />Where vibrant religious orders and thoughtful thelogians have attempted to out new life on the old bones, they have found them the subject of "visitations" by the likes of Rode, banned from teaching, or even excommunicated.<br /><br />Rode is quie right of course, in saying that "big numbers are not indispensable" to religious orders: nor are cardinals in red hats and fance dresses indispensable to a vibrant Church. We are all Church, and we can all contribute - whether as part of "religious" orders or not. As Paul said to the Corinthians, we are all part of one body. Whether the institutional church likes it or not, we who are "religious", but not part of the recognised "religious orders" or ordained priests, will increasingly simply take up the slack and do the job ourselves, preaching the truth of the "Good News" in Scripture intead of the empty nonsense that comes from the hierarchs.Terence Weldonhttp://queeringthechurch.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-3060463994570409962010-02-05T19:42:48.902-07:002010-02-05T19:42:48.902-07:00Good to see your site active again. I have missed...Good to see your site active again. I have missed this the past few days.<br /><br />Maybe the Roman Catholic Church as we have known it; its clericalism, its heavily white European bias is passing from the scene.<br /><br />While not perfect, I think that there are some very positive aspects of the present day secular culture. I think there is a thirst for honesty. Science seems to have a role. Questioning of authority is something that is healthy. There is an appreciation for cultural difference and a desire to make accomodations. <br /><br />If you do not go back to the past, then just wait and see what a generation committed to some of these ideals develops as their response to the gospel and their way of service. What will these "vocations" look like? I bet they will not look like clerics dressed in the robes of a Cardinal Rode.wild hairhttp://www.wildhair95.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-54178277641038787892010-02-05T17:57:24.899-07:002010-02-05T17:57:24.899-07:00The crisis is that this turkey is in the position ...The crisis is that this turkey is in the position that he has.<br /><br />There are times that I think that the Lord has a very bad sense of humor.<br /><br />Jim McCreaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-43752640935888414492010-02-05T17:25:34.331-07:002010-02-05T17:25:34.331-07:00Glad you're back, Colleen--and yes, Rode is al...Glad you're back, Colleen--and yes, Rode is all about white, European male-centric thinking. (Old males, at that, who seem to think that battling modernity is still where the church is at, though we're now in postmodernity!)William D. 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