tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post6326230785220158789..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Six Hundred Years Later And German Theologians Are Again In Reformation Modecolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-882320441064276682011-02-08T00:54:33.740-07:002011-02-08T00:54:33.740-07:00Nixon, I think part of that tax set up is for hist...Nixon, I think part of that tax set up is for historical preservation of religious buildings. But other wise you have a point.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-24156761679378027342011-02-07T23:40:33.209-07:002011-02-07T23:40:33.209-07:00The German church should do something truly radica...The German church should do something truly radical and declare that it will depend only on the freewill gifts of people who actually belong to church, instead of relying on Church Taxes taken automatically from people's paychecks unless they make a trip to some government office and get themselves taken off the membership rolls.<br /> Lots of money for no work? Sounds like establishment by another name to me.<br /> And an encouragement to laziness and a sense of privilege and entitlement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-55120071604893265482011-02-07T13:42:59.306-07:002011-02-07T13:42:59.306-07:00"Morality without mercy" certainly desc..."Morality without mercy" certainly describes the treatment by the bishops lately.coolmomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-45585060173358104662011-02-07T09:15:16.032-07:002011-02-07T09:15:16.032-07:00The statement by the 140 German theologians is ver...The statement by the 140 German theologians is very Good News. <br /><br />I particularly like the topic of “Reconciliation” in the fifth sphere of action which speaks of how the Church has turned the biblical Good News into a rigorous morality without mercy. <br /><br />This is reflected in the attitudes of most American bishops. They have lost and forgotten those images of the Church as servant and Jesus as the Good Shepherd.wild hairhttp://www.wildhair95.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-68052971336799830832011-02-07T09:01:07.273-07:002011-02-07T09:01:07.273-07:00As an analyst, I have viewed dissociative states a...As an analyst, I have viewed dissociative states as part of psychotic islands in the personality. But hey, what are dreams but psychotic expressions--they are an escape from reality they are also dissociative. When we think of the paranormal what is that, does it exist? Well it certainly does when we look at astrophysics so why not in our minds? The mind is such a complicated and huge stucture, I do not think humanity, will understand it fully just as we will never understand astrophysics fully. The more we know, we understand just how much more there is to know. dennisrdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-30886219958491326302011-02-07T01:02:58.678-07:002011-02-07T01:02:58.678-07:00Dennis, if you don't stop with the Packer gloa...Dennis, if you don't stop with the Packer gloating I'll have to throw a tantrum.<br /><br />On a more serious note, the category of oppression rather than full blown possession is more meaningful to the psychics and indigenous healers I've worked with and makes more sense to me. Then there is the question of pathological dissassociative states and how much of this is culturally specific. This last issue is why I sometimes refer to exorcism as a form of religious theatre or religious psycho drama. But as you point out, we don't know crap about human consciousness. <br /><br />Here's an interesting study done on Ugandans that is very good. The British Psychiatric Association also has some good stuff and there is a psychiatrist in Seattle whose name escapes me at the moment, who has done a great deal of research in this field. He has a theory that antipsychotics work well with true schizophrenic/bi polar disorders, but not well at all on psychic phenomenon.<br /><br />http://www.healthnettpo.org/files/128/dissociative-symptoms-and-reported-trauma-among-patients-with-spirit-posession-and-matched-healthy-controls-in-uganda.pdfcolkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-20833920031241017372011-02-07T00:21:03.901-07:002011-02-07T00:21:03.901-07:00I am responding to the last section and comments. ...I am responding to the last section and comments. As a psychiatrist and psychoanalyst and as a person that studied several long heard years in a seminary, and as a person who also read Scott Peck, I do not deny that evil is present in the world. However I have seen several thousand patients over my life time, and not one of them was recognized by me or anyone around me as possessed. They were all within DSM 4 diagnosis, or some of the Children with developmental disorders fit more in the European definitions of these disorders. I do believe that we all each have borderline parts and even psychotic islands of emotional difficulty. I see most evil as dependent on something that can not be fully controlled by an individual, but Post Traumatic Stress and Sociopathic personalities both come to mind. I must say that there is probably more to evil than I have experience in my practice, but I have always been able to find a DSM definition that fits. I would welcome the idea’s of people who are knowledgable in the paranormal as I am not. <br /><br /> Oh and Coleen, I usually tell my patients on the first day that consciousness in the mind occupies about as much space as he head of a pin while the unconscious is represented by the size of a basketball. dennisrdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-67065993236905459652011-02-07T00:20:44.932-07:002011-02-07T00:20:44.932-07:00I am responding to the last section and comments. ...I am responding to the last section and comments. As a psychiatrist and psychoanalyst and as a person that studied several long heard years in a seminary, and as a person who also read Scott Peck, I do not deny that evil is present in the world. However I have seen several thousand patients over my life time, and not one of them was recognized by me or anyone around me as possessed. They were all within DSM 4 diagnosis, or some of the Children with developmental disorders fit more in the European definitions of these disorders. I do believe that we all each have borderline parts and even psychotic islands of emotional difficulty. I see most evil as dependent on something that can not be fully controlled by an individual, but Post Traumatic Stress and Sociopathic personalities both come to mind. I must say that there is probably more to evil than I have experience in my practice, but I have always been able to find a DSM definition that fits. I would welcome the idea’s of people who are knowledgable in the paranormal as I am not. <br /><br /> Oh and Coleen, I usually tell my patients on the first day that consciousness in the mind occupies about as much space as he head of a pin while the unconscious is represented by the size of a basketball. dennisrdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-19129969211951650012011-02-06T23:35:42.494-07:002011-02-06T23:35:42.494-07:00Being a former Vince Lombardi and GBP fan as a chi...Being a former Vince Lombardi and GBP fan as a child, I just had to say it----The Pack is Back!!!rdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-57564134174886061622011-02-06T21:17:18.658-07:002011-02-06T21:17:18.658-07:00Deacon M,
Your last two paragraphs are very telli...Deacon M,<br /><br />Your last two paragraphs are very telling. dennisrdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-20008224795747772212011-02-06T20:45:04.949-07:002011-02-06T20:45:04.949-07:00Deacon M, I so agree with you that this proposal f...Deacon M, I so agree with you that this proposal from Germany does not go far enough. It is a good start, but in truth there needs to be a serious reconsideration of structure and authority. Vatican II was really on the right track, but apparently the front view from that track was too terrifying for some of the conductors.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-84349810513946205812011-02-06T20:39:54.446-07:002011-02-06T20:39:54.446-07:00My daughter just called and wanted to know if I...My daughter just called and wanted to know if I'm over another Pack attack like I suffer from PTSD or something. Good thing I really didn't care this year and that in truth the Redwings rule.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-43355169757069188532011-02-06T19:15:13.916-07:002011-02-06T19:15:13.916-07:00The comparison of the Spanish Church to the German...The comparison of the Spanish Church to the German Church is telling. I would hope that Pope Benedict would listen to what these German Catholics are telling him. In regard to these Spanish groups. It seems that only a small number of elitists in these countries are interested in these group. Most of the people in Spain are increasingly liberal too it seems.Mareczkuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13122584421854834046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-50187441648685253372011-02-06T18:37:05.549-07:002011-02-06T18:37:05.549-07:00Well said Colleen!
It was because the Church was ...Well said Colleen!<br /><br />It was because the Church was beginning to move in the direction espoused by these German theologians after Vatican II that I became a Catholic 45 years ago.<br /><br />When progress then stalled as the old men regained power and showed that they were afraid of change, I realized that this was not the Church I had signed up for. What kept me in it was meeting Christ in those to whom I minister.<br /><br />We are seeing many dioceses restructuring due to decline in support by shrinking numbers of people in the pews, the failure to replace our Priests, the loss young people, the alienation of women, who are the ones who really transmit the faith to children, of way fewer marriages in the church, fewer Baptisms, and I see these trends accelerating in our society.<br /><br />I think the German theologians are on the right track, but do not go far enough. Until the structure of control and clericalism changes, and theology is updated to engage with the knowledge and insights gained by modernm scholarship, the decline will continue.<br /><br />Unlike now in the middle East, with young educated underemployed people demanding the right to particiate in the determination of their future, the young people of today, if they are still in the church at all, will increasingly see its message and governance as irrelevant and unattractive, respectively, and will simply opt out and drift away.<br /><br />Deacon MAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-75545360961850690192011-02-06T18:22:00.922-07:002011-02-06T18:22:00.922-07:00Olmstead thinks that Sr. Margaret O'Brien'...Olmstead thinks that Sr. Margaret O'Brien's excommunication is valid if he says it is. The Vatican has no way to enforce its religious decrees civilly as it could in previous centuries.khughes1963https://www.blogger.com/profile/16118365554189078448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-72072982525800196222011-02-06T18:17:54.239-07:002011-02-06T18:17:54.239-07:0021-11 at the half. Guess who?
I agree with the...21-11 at the half. Guess who? <br /><br />I agree with the German theologians and your comments, Colleen, but I think that Rome simply will not listen. Rome has simply eschewed anything that they do not like for the last forty or fifty years. If they continue ignoring what amounts to reality, then they truly have become irrelevant. Hans Kung’s book ’Infallibility a Question” stands out now. Since it has been said that certain things such as women's ordination have been infallibly decided and since there are valid but illicit and excommunicated women priests, the answer of the question of this book seems to be in. There is another question- were these women priests and the nun in the Phoenix hospital’s excommunications also valid but illicit? How can these excommunications be determined as in any way legal under canon law. Are these women the equivalent of modern day church felons? Since there are no armies to enforce what the Rome wants, the Vatican is wallowing in very poor leadership. First they are not very Christ-like and they no longer have the power to enforce their will.rdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-49529684831061356742011-02-06T17:29:19.581-07:002011-02-06T17:29:19.581-07:00A Diet of Worms: As I child I did not understand w...A Diet of Worms: As I child I did not understand what it meant, only that it seemed odd to eat worms. <br /><br />Who is eating worms today? The pope has no armies. None of these theologians will be burned at the stake. <br /><br />Look how Luther's 95 resolutions went "viral" in their day. There is no stopping the spread of ideas in today's world. <br /><br />I think the German theologians are right. The church needs to depart from the present course. <br /><br />p2p<br /><br />There's your first comment from an international reader on the high holy day of the secular American calendar, Super Bowl Sunday.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com