tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post633302668836462378..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: The USCCB Meets In Baltimore And Cardinal George Pontificatescolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-15761817932303360432010-11-17T05:57:16.307-07:002010-11-17T05:57:16.307-07:00This is an excellent article. You covered a lot o...This is an excellent article. You covered a lot of bases here. I hope that Archbishop Dolan is an improvement over Cardinal George in this position. I was somewhat horrified by the rock throwing at Bishop Kicanas on some sites. As Kevin said, a lot of vitriol.Mareczkuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13122584421854834046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-43280247244139770512010-11-17T05:30:27.119-07:002010-11-17T05:30:27.119-07:00Cardinal George is arrogant. He is arrogant if he...Cardinal George is arrogant. He is arrogant if he thinks the work of the Spirit is limited only to black suited bishops in a Baltimore hotel room. He is arrogant if he thinks his opinion is better than yours or mine.<br /><br />In the October 15th. issue of the NCR Regina Shulte wrote this: “It is apparent that the hierarchy has usurped the entire teaching office -- the “magisterium” -- for themselves; yet they are only one of three components endowed with this charism. Theologians and the wisdom born of experience in the “sense of the faithful” comprise the other two. It would seem, then, that appropriate exercise of their distinctive roles requires that bishops collaborate rather than compete.” <br /><br />The bishops, for the most part, live in a bubble.wild hairhttp://www.wildhair95@blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-85874107572614240852010-11-17T00:50:34.622-07:002010-11-17T00:50:34.622-07:00The stink of the Iraq invasion of 2003 will be aro...The stink of the Iraq invasion of 2003 will be around for a long, long time. You are very right to question the role of the Bishops. It was a moment for Confessing, as in Germany in 1933, and the Bishops failed the test.Joehttp://josephsoleary.typepad.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-23122200282058968512010-11-16T20:27:27.242-07:002010-11-16T20:27:27.242-07:00The faster this house of cards burns, the better.
...The faster this house of cards burns, the better.<br /><br />I was watching today too. Outside of the discussion of the Iraqi Catholics the whole thing was so banal.<br /><br />Some days it feels like the best thing I can do is give them all the rope they need, and disregard the cost.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-57111393020609170142010-11-16T16:08:38.159-07:002010-11-16T16:08:38.159-07:00Trans, if one does some research into Dolan's ...Trans, if one does some research into Dolan's actions on these issues, he doesn't come up smelling like a rose either. The systemic reaction these guys had to clerical abuse is all the same irrespective of their theological leaning. Protecting the clerical system is the one thing they all seem to share. Dolan will certainly do that since he has derived great benefit from it.<br /><br />With Kurtz in the VP slot I don't know whether to laugh or cry.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-36323586129955985942010-11-16T15:00:09.298-07:002010-11-16T15:00:09.298-07:00Here is a direct quote from one of the links: “Th...Here is a direct quote from one of the links: “There was a sense that his activity was part of the developmental process and that he had learned from the experience,” continued Bishop Kicanas. “I was more concerned about his drinking. We sent him to counseling for that.”<br />Thus spake Kicanas about McCormack. In what universe is sexual abuse of boys part of the developmental process? What did he learn from it: how to do it over and over again and get away with it? And, drinking? One goes ahead with the ordination, knowing he's also a drunk?<br />Sheeesh, what a Mama's Boy!<br />And this bit that we always have to agree with them: reminds me of the marketing for early Model T cars. You can have any color you want, provided you want black.Translynxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-60463313375573018262010-11-16T13:37:55.452-07:002010-11-16T13:37:55.452-07:00Kevin that's the one issue I just don't un...Kevin that's the one issue I just don't understand. Why in the world aren't all Catholics up in arms about the corruption and criminal activity of the hierarchy. This behavior is the one constant for almost all our bishops, and cuts across all political and theological divides. <br /><br />I freely admit I don't understand how the right wing or trads can put up with this whole notion that our guys criminal activity is less sinful than your guys criminal activity. The Kicanis situation perfectly exemplifies this inconsistency. <br /><br />A reasonable person would think that full scale corruption would be the one issue on which all sides could come to some agreement. I guess not.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-58176963123842265292010-11-16T13:06:25.950-07:002010-11-16T13:06:25.950-07:00But that's my point, colkoch. ALL bishops, ei...But that's my point, colkoch. ALL bishops, either as Ordinaries or as seminary rectors (the usual path to power in the Church), have the stain of abuse on their consciences. So, why was Kicanas singled out? I'm not justifying his decision(s), poor as they were, but they elected George and he's hardly been exemplary--as you rightly observe--in this regard. The right-wing gives a pass to their favorites (Dolan, Chaput, etc.) on these matters...Hell, they practically canonized the founder of the LCs even AS allegations of horrific behavior were coming to light.kevin57https://www.blogger.com/profile/01681985465980196347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-49315345629750806142010-11-16T12:13:04.524-07:002010-11-16T12:13:04.524-07:00Kevin, there's no question the right wing blog...Kevin, there's no question the right wing blogs were all over Kicanis, but the problem is he did make a very bad decision when it came to ordaining McCormack, and Cardinal George made an even bigger mistake in ignoring the mandates of the Dallas Charter. To elect Kicanis would be like replacing one for the other, so the right wing had lots of arrows to sling. Arrows that made some sense. So now we have Dolan, whose own record with abusive priests is nothing to write home about.<br /><br />The bleeding of the Church will continue under Dolan. The man now has an enormous voice in the American Catholic church. I imagine he will now be able to entertain all sorts of offers for his voice.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-38521029832198181092010-11-16T11:29:42.949-07:002010-11-16T11:29:42.949-07:00My sources--and I'm part of a theology faculty...My sources--and I'm part of a theology faculty--tell me that right-wing Catholic blogs have been spreading their vitriol about Kicanas. He's too "liberal" (like Bernardin) This is horrible. The bleeding of the Church will continue.kevin57https://www.blogger.com/profile/01681985465980196347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-85991154163125093182010-11-16T09:26:48.524-07:002010-11-16T09:26:48.524-07:00I don't know coolmom, if that was the entire c...I don't know coolmom, if that was the entire case, they could have elected Archbishop Chaput or Cardinal Vigneron who were also eligible.<br /><br />This is not to say that Archbishop Dolan is some sort of compromise with the less orthodox bishops. He's just the sugar candy version of the orthodox side of things. Which means we will all have tooth decay chomping on his thoughts.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-56170961002999020732010-11-16T09:13:48.717-07:002010-11-16T09:13:48.717-07:00I wish I could believe that the UCCB did not elect...I wish I could believe that the UCCB did not elect Bishop Kicanis because he allowed the pedophile to be ordained. I think the bishops did not think Bishop Kicanis was conservative enough and had not taken a hard enough line against "dissenting Catholics." There has been no sign of intelligent life in this group for some time.coolmomnoreply@blogger.com