tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post6982192961582514894..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Two Views Of Quantum Reality And Another View Of Caritas En Veritatecolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-11447807552361386982009-08-06T08:43:01.228-06:002009-08-06T08:43:01.228-06:00Brian, the Winstanley film makes a great point, an...Brian, the Winstanley film makes a great point, and one I have to elaborate on.<br /><br />The noblewoman essentially states that poor people exist to provide opportunities for rich people to practice charity. Like dart boards exist for people to practice darts.<br /><br />The truth is extra wealth exists for rich people to use, not just for charity, but also because it's an energy force for social justice. Wealth is a real energy force in society and it's use has real consequences.<br /><br />Poor people do not exist for rich people to use to make themselves feel Christian. The rich have the energy of wealth. Christian wealthy have a mandate from Christ to use that energy for the benefit of the common good. Or as Fr. Tissa says to create the Kingdom of Christ on earth. <br /><br />There is nothing inherently evil or moral about wealth. Those values are determined by how one uses wealth. <br /><br />Personally I prefer a much more scaled back life style than that which I grew up in because there is far more freedom and far less angst. But then I had a choice and maybe that's what we should all be aiming for, a society in which lack of material possessions becomes a legitimate choice and not a fate of circumstance.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-63948580142232362052009-08-05T22:56:01.047-06:002009-08-05T22:56:01.047-06:00Butterfly,
I don't quite understand your '...Butterfly,<br />I don't quite understand your 'three churches in one' analysis. It sounds interesting, though.<br />Also, I presume that 'VI mind' and 'VII mind' are part of a hierarchy of development that I'm not aware of (but should be). <br />I agree with Fr. Tissa's analysis and I am reminded of the quote of Karl Marx that was inscribed on his gravestone: "The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it." We could say much the same thing about contemporary, credentialed, professional theologians (as well as philosophers). Although, as Fr. Richard McBrien pointed out in a recent column, many theologians, who need to pay the bills like the rest of us, see what happens to the Fr. Haights, Sorbinos, and Kungs of the Catholic world and decide on a less challenging tact. <br />I just purchased a DVD of a little known 1975 independent British film called "Winstanley". It was filmed on a shoestring budget with mostly volunteers and tells the story of Gerrard Winstanley, leader of the Diggers, or True Levellers during Cromwellian times. Winstanley believed that the common land was for all, especially the poor, and not just for livestock. In one great scene, a noblewoman lectures the poor Winstanley, explaining that God made some people poor so that others might practice charity, and if people "held the Earth as a common treasury" as Winstanley argued, wither charity? Great little film you can pick up on amazon.com. Fr. Tissa's article reminded me of this film, to a degree.Captain Picardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07675995256310168056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-10729507677295210212009-08-05T07:03:17.269-06:002009-08-05T07:03:17.269-06:00Orlando, I had the same thought the other day of a...Orlando, I had the same thought the other day of a new catholic church being named the Church of the Holy Spirit. Your comment makes a lot of sense to me. Almost everyday a mindful fundamentalist tells those in the spirit of Christ to just leave the Church. Since the mindful deal with words as from the mind and all that is "logical" they miss what the spirit is trying to tell them.<br /><br />There really are two Churches in one now in this moment of time. It's as if there is a tug of war going on. One Church is of the VI mind. The other Church is of the VII mind. Benedict stands in the middle it seems of this tug of war between the two minds as the great intellect trying to fuse these two very distinct mindsets. But rather than fuse, it tends to con-fuse.<br /><br />Fr. Tessa Balasuriyu then adds more dimension to what the Pope was trying to convey. Colleen blows them both away and interjects the idea of quantum energy of love. <br /><br />Now there are three Churches in one: the Church of the Father (mind), the Son (body), and the Holy Spirit.<br /><br />Makes sense?butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-34554379258889918822009-08-05T06:59:13.303-06:002009-08-05T06:59:13.303-06:00Brian, you are getting into some interesting terri...Brian, you are getting into some interesting territory. I think consciousness is evolving, moving up the spiritual food chain so to speak. In other words we are bringing more spirit into our incarnated bodies and this is expressed through consciousness.<br /><br />Neuro physiologists see the brain as an information sending and recieving unit whose number of channels can be augmented through meditative and spiritual practices. That's certainly been my experience. <br /><br />Certain of these channels allow access to areas of reality which most certainly impact and change Newtonian reality. Sometimes this information comes in a creative breakthrough, such as Watson and Crick had with their discovery of the double helix design of DNA. Sometimes it's more concrete such as in a 'spontaneous' healing which instantly changes mutated DNA to it's pristine state. <br /><br />Any action motivated by love will have the most positive impact for the most people. One truth from quantum physics, which also holds true in the spiritual world, is the idea of critical mass. It doesn't take many spiritual people working from the same 'channel' to effect massive positive change. Like minded people are meeting and gathering all over the world and are effecting massive change. Obama is one example of this massive change. Whether he intended it or not he is exposing exactly how corrupt our democracy really is,and just how co opted our political and economic systems are by self interested multinationals. <br /><br />The light is shining in some dark areas and it will be interesting to see how this all finally plays out. The one thing I know for sure is that things will evolve to a higher state. <br /><br />Catholicism is not exempt from this process. The pursuit of power will give way to the exercise of love if only because love trumps power. <br /><br />I have a bumper sticker on my little Geo Tracker which says: "when the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." That time is coming.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-16625228155890673492009-08-05T01:11:08.188-06:002009-08-05T01:11:08.188-06:00Bernard Lonergan S.J. said that the Second Vatican...Bernard Lonergan S.J. said that the Second Vatican Council was, "the Church discovered history" or words to that effect. The Church finally acknowledged that human development is an action of Spirit, moving towards God. <br />The people who point to dogmas and statements of data as the definition of their religion, who suggest that we "just leave" the Church because of our questions and desires and loves, who champion "the Truth" - they are guilty of idolatry. Theirs is the Church of Mind, not the Church of Spirit. <br />Human consciousness is a wonderful and mysterious thing, wrapping the world in vision, lapping on the farthest shores of this universe. Consciousness, however, is not unique to human beings. Animals have a lesser kind of consciousness; plants can be said to have a certain kind of awareness too. The mind gives meaning to the world, meanings that can change when we respond to the Spirit. Consider anything you experienced in the past that now has deeper meaning than it did then because of your spiritual growth. What if you had elevated your mind above your spirit, and dictated to yourself that Meaning #1 of that past experience is set in stone? What if you labeled Meaning #1 as "defined dogma"? Abrasion, stagnation, irrelevance.<br />Yours would be a Church of Mind, not a Church of Spirit.<br />I commented on the consequent "frozen Truths" people would cling to on the Bilgrimage blog under my actual name, Brian, the other day.<br />As the new Earth issued forth Life and Life issued forth Mind, now we must let Mind be enhanced by Spirit, which is more and more welling up in the minds of Catholics and people everywhere. <br />Our relationship with God in Spirit is totally different than the relationship we have to God with our consciousness. <br />Think of the old question, "What is the meaning of life?" That question refers to the relationship of Mind (which gives meaning)and Life. Whatever the answer is, it is not ultimately what we're looking for. We, as the People of God, desire communion with God and each other. In a communion of Spirit, there's no meaning necessary to interpret the other. I sometimes wonder, does consciousness survive death? If the answer is no, that's nothing to be afraid of because our Spiritual communion is a far, far better thing.<br />We ought to ever strive to be members of a Church of the Spirit and People of God, not the Church of an idolized human Mind, that freezes all reality into concepts, definitions, dogmas in order to subdue it and establish dominion over it. I'm being purposely forceful to make a point here. Of course, we need languages, scientific, theological, etc. to get by and flourish in the world, but when we idolize them, we are no longer listening to the Spirit.Captain Picardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07675995256310168056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-57081745428506686022009-08-04T21:25:13.874-06:002009-08-04T21:25:13.874-06:00Colleen, glad you're back. I'm looking fo...Colleen, glad you're back. I'm looking forward to hearing about St. Michael the Archangel and the quantum force of love.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-21955160490849745442009-08-04T20:29:00.383-06:002009-08-04T20:29:00.383-06:00I don't always understand everything you write...I don't always understand everything you write about, but I deeply appreciate that you DO. Your entry today has left my mind reeling- in a good way. I feel stretched and called to continue to think more deeply and listen more carefully to what is being revealed in this age. <br /><br />I am a amazed at how you are able to tie all of these diverse topics together. <br /><br />God bless your relocation. It sounds like a rich time for you spiritually. Thank you for sharing with us.Mary Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03443994462169750739noreply@blogger.com