tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post7383737806908069937..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Pentecost Message To Pope Benedict: Clean Up The Mess You Call The Vaticancolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-13078335622177405332012-06-03T14:03:59.315-06:002012-06-03T14:03:59.315-06:00Yes, it is. How is it not?<i>Yes, it is</i>. How is it not?Invictus_88https://www.blogger.com/profile/03446202385252763436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-71588493716777047162012-06-03T14:02:49.454-06:002012-06-03T14:02:49.454-06:00...the Church is a cult now? Or have I misundersto......the Church is a cult now? Or have I misunderstood what you are saying?Invictus_88https://www.blogger.com/profile/03446202385252763436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-11990995978730980262012-05-29T20:56:20.305-06:002012-05-29T20:56:20.305-06:00Good point searcher. I would also have to questio...Good point searcher. I would also have to question what 'internal credibility' means in a closed cult. I think the Legionaries fiasco shows that 'internal credibility' is based in a definition of loyalty that allows no questioning and is accepted by adherents as a sort of charism and proof of the strength of one's belief in the authority structure of the system. It's very much the same as how children think their parents are right for no other reason than their parents are their parents. Eventually children mature out of that kind of belief system, the current version of Roman Catholicism is insisting adults stay in that maturity level.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-26510889966494409222012-05-29T17:25:01.836-06:002012-05-29T17:25:01.836-06:00You are talking about internal credibility and Col...You are talking about internal credibility and Colkoch and most everyone else is talking about external credibility. Closed groups (cults) tend to have internal credibilty among insiders; low external credibilty, among outsiders.<br /><br />SearcherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-35320975754925525402012-05-29T07:31:07.125-06:002012-05-29T07:31:07.125-06:00But that's just the problem Invictus, it isn&#...But that's just the problem Invictus, it isn't adhering to the right teaching in it's own behavior, so it's not adhering. Jesus never said to spread the Gospel with "Do as I say, not as I do" and your fruits will be sweet.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-90947578914571822742012-05-29T06:53:19.304-06:002012-05-29T06:53:19.304-06:00The 'credibility' of the Church comes not ...The 'credibility' of the Church comes not from the avoidance of scandal, but from its institution by Jesus and its adherence to and protection of right teaching.Invictus_88https://www.blogger.com/profile/03446202385252763436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-17438457133065984102012-05-28T10:06:52.226-06:002012-05-28T10:06:52.226-06:00I read that too wild, and I've also read other...I read that too wild, and I've also read other accounts out of Italy that there are in fact Cardinals involved.<br /><br />Of course what Lombardi states is that no cardinals are being investigated, which is quite different from saying 'no cardinals are involved'. Pope Benedict has never called any Cardinal to account for anything regarding corruption or clerical abuse. But he did call Cardinal Schonborn to the woodshed for his public statements about the obviously corrupt Angelo Sodano. Which is all I need to know about how screwed up Benedict's priorities are. Corruption OK, statements criticizing the corruption not OK.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-25754744926392942232012-05-28T09:37:41.083-06:002012-05-28T09:37:41.083-06:00From the Vatican Insider Staff: "The director...From the Vatican Insider Staff: "The director of the Vatican Press Office, Fr. Federico Lombardi has confirmed that 'there are no Italian or foreign cardinals being investigated' in light of the arrest of the Pope’s butler, Paolo Gabriele." <br /><br />The coverup begins.wild hairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08464835061893041481noreply@blogger.com