tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post796717371170257603..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Scandal and Disunity? Burke vs Robinsoncolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-70354209619579582572008-06-29T19:45:00.000-06:002008-06-29T19:45:00.000-06:00I agree with both Carl and Bill, that this is not ...I agree with both Carl and Bill, that this is not a promotion so much as it is damage control. Burke won't have to worry about being pastoral in his new job. He can interpret canon law to his hearts content. I do still think something like a censure will come form Rome for Geoffrey Robinson. Especially if there is a dip in donations in the US and Australia.<BR/><BR/>As far as the cost of an annulment, I know it cost my exhusban over 1200.00 twenty years ago. Based on that I would guess that 5K is in the ball park---without any guarantees.<BR/><BR/>There was a time when I had a lot of difficulty explaining to my daughter that she wasn't a bastard in the eyes of the Church. One of the reasons I think the whole concept is a joke. Give it up and let people move on. In too many respects the annulment process just reopens old wounds.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-52942611601788092752008-06-29T18:00:00.000-06:002008-06-29T18:00:00.000-06:00William, I believe we as a whole are demanding mor...William, I believe we as a whole are demanding more of the church and the leadership. The difficulty we face is that the bishops essentially have free run to do whatever they wish, with very little threat of censure from the Vatican. <BR/><BR/>My sense is that the reason for Burke's transfer was failure: his failure to obtain the assets of St. Stanislaus, his failure to control the media, and the damage to papal authority that his failure created not only in his diocese, but throughout the US.<BR/>The Vatican seems to willingly tolerate abuse and corruption, but has little tolerance for failure/ loss of control.<BR/><BR/>What can we expect? I expect that the next archbishop to St. Louis will be a short term appointment to do damage control. Since forcing them into submission failed, I expect an attempt now to stroke them into submission.<BR/><BR/>On a side thought, does anyone know how much couples typically spend to get an annulement? I have heard it is frequently upwards of $5000.COL55https://www.blogger.com/profile/07057765287988790129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-24392305453799924732008-06-29T07:42:00.000-06:002008-06-29T07:42:00.000-06:00Colleen, looks like Burke is going out (of St. Lou...Colleen, looks like Burke is going out (of St. Louis) with guns blazing, casting excommunications and condemnations in all directions.<BR/><BR/>I suspect this is one of those Vatican maneuvers called prometur ut admovetur: let him be moved up to get him out of the way. He has made such a mess in St. Louis that they have to get rid of him. So they promote him!<BR/><BR/>These moves give signals to the loyal foot soldiers that no matter how badly they abuse their power, the system will protect and reward them, even in "punishing" them.<BR/><BR/>If that doesn't speak to the heart of the corruption that good folks like T. Doyle, G. Robinson, and T. Gumbleton are trying to address--in the name of the Lord--I don't know what does.<BR/><BR/>Like you, I wonder how so many people can watch this go on and on and not get thoroughly fed up with it. I thought the recent discussion on Catholica Australia of the lack of anger in the graying masses of the Catholic laity was a good dissection of this.<BR/><BR/>Because we are not demanding more of our church and its leaders, we're bequeathing a mess to the next generation--most of whom have simply shrugged their shoulders and walked away. And who can blame them?<BR/><BR/>The church can spend millions on big glitzy shows like World Youth Day and fancy Eucharistic processions. These won't bring any youth back but the true believers who see no problems in how Burke and Law have behaved--in fact, who would actually reward them more for their meanness and mendacity!William D. Lindseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246026074693891965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-21751801324640957522008-06-28T14:01:00.000-06:002008-06-28T14:01:00.000-06:00Matthew 7 :"Beware of false prophets, who come to ...Matthew 7 :<BR/><BR/>"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will know them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Just so, every good tree bears good fruit, and a rotten tree bears bad fruit. <BR/> A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a rotten tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. So by their fruits you will know them... <BR/><BR/>"When Jesus finished these words, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, for he taught them as one having authority, and not as their scribes."<BR/><BR/>This is the Good News of the Lord !<BR/>Praise to you,Lord Jesus Christ.<BR/><BR/>-- John KjmKelleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10552857462873824802noreply@blogger.com