tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post8430027726550557818..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: The Military Freedom Foundation Drops A Bomb On The Air Force Academycolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-18176569872532792802011-10-09T11:08:59.335-06:002011-10-09T11:08:59.335-06:00I'll contribute some more thoughts on this. Al...I'll contribute some more thoughts on this. Also, the military consists of many branches and it has more branches now than during WWII or even during the Vietnam War. We also have other branches now such as Homeland Security. Is it possible that the military believes it is too big to fail? Homeland Security seems a new branch that might override the other branches because of the way it was formed, from whom it was formed.<br /><br />ButterflyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-949046614110408432011-10-09T10:41:46.756-06:002011-10-09T10:41:46.756-06:00What is satanic language? Was it Jesus saying to ...What is satanic language? Was it Jesus saying to Peter "Get Behind Me Satan."?? Was Jesus using Satanic language? <br /><br />Is Colleen saying that if Christians (who are brainwashed) in the military are being taught that it's fine and dandy and moral and all to push a nuclear button when their "Christian" handler tells them to-in direct contradiction or the absence of such an order from the REAL leaders in the military.... that in trying to resolve this issue now that using what she referred to as 'satanic' language, would not make a dent in the discussion or in teaching a way to preventing such an event.... ?<br /><br />I have never heard of the expression "satanic language." Is this a new concept or something? <br /><br />What approach then could one use to dealing with those in the military who are taught by dominionist religious wackos to override the chain of command?<br /><br />Perhaps Colleen meant that a "religious" reference to Satan would not work? That a different use of words would open the heart and mind?<br /><br />I'd be real concerned if in the military as a commander that orders from the real chain of command were diverted further down the chain and/or there was a branch of pseudo-religious growing separate from the main trunk of command.<br /><br />ButterflyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-70444657121476970992011-10-09T07:03:41.634-06:002011-10-09T07:03:41.634-06:00I am puzzled by the satanic language reference and...I am puzzled by the satanic language reference and the claim of abuse. It is not clear than Anon and Butterfly are the same person. <br /><br />Does "satanic" refer to the military's destructive mission? Is it satanic for a fundamental religious group to coopt the military? Is it satanic for the New Apostolic Reformation and Focus on the Family to give its blessing to killing of all sorts? Would it be better to follow the more considered and nuanced position of the Roman Catholic theory of "Just War"?<br /><br />This is no idle chatter. The Bush years marked a rejection of traditional ethical thought on war. PJ2 condemned the Iraq war. The American bishops were very weak in their opposition to it. (Their decline in moral authority is not just the result of teachings on sex.) In 2007 the USCCB issued a statement, far too late, on the morality of the US invading forces leaving Iraq. Duped again.<br /><br />To me, it appears the military has two reasons to be concerned. First, in their desire to find moral cover for an immoral "preventive" war the military welcomed a tighter relationship with the religious right. They're stuck with all that now. <br /><br />Secondly, to pick up on Colleen's "A Bomb" reference, the military must be rethinking their entire approach to war. They've got an enormous investment in obsolete technology, strategy and tactics. Funding for the strategy of asymmetrical military domination is not sustainable. <br /><br />Ultimately the Bush wars will be priced about $3 trillion dollars, but they may end up costing America its way of life. <br /><br />p2pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-29711454084144133932011-10-08T23:22:45.226-06:002011-10-08T23:22:45.226-06:00I have not, however, seen Colleen as abusive as I ...I have not, however, seen Colleen as abusive as I have disagreed with her frequently and always received respectful replies. I do not however see Satanic language in Butterfly's recent note. If anyone is guilty of finding a dark side it is me. I neither define it as the devil or evil. However, the dark side I am referring to is every bit as dark as the Emperor Palpatine. It is in fact the darkside of authoritarianism that I view all too prevalent in both religious and civil leaders. If out religious leaders were truly Christ-like, much more could be expected of them. In many ways these religious leaders can not even be defined as Christian. The dark side seems to me to be a more appropriate metaphor as they claim to have moral authority as they currently live with a very large degree amorality. <br /><br />I recently heard a right wing radio host discussing a doctor that told a women she must fatten up her Leukemia ridden child with french fries and rice and agree to chemotherapy. This host them referred to a social worker who took the child from the mother of five for endangerment. Well there is darkness in this presentation. I highly doubt that the host was giving enough of the story for anyone to understand many facts and this host’s purpose was probably one of degrading authoritative figures who have pursed lives of learning and attempts to help others. He actually made comments that all doctors and social workers are the big societal problem. This host is also a devout traditional Roman Catholic. His approach is also very Roman Catholic-like in that he uses authoritarian methods in his presentation of ideas. There is indeed a dark side in society and there always has been one. The real question is how to we progress and evolve into something better. If we look back 500 years, I think there has been more progress than harm in the knowledge man has gained. Wisdom will only come to men and women who can come to understand the harm in their own personal narcissistic attitudes. We have come a way forward over the centuries but we are not at this time on a forward push. I hope that for our own growth and development as humans, we can learn the necessity of finding the great gifts of creativity and growth inside more of us than not. This is the struggle with each of us both individually and as a society. Some times we must see the dark side in each of us and try to understand our own failings and wrongmindedness. dennisrdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-49788006302818701572011-10-08T23:22:00.399-06:002011-10-08T23:22:00.399-06:00I, if anyone, I have been the one to use Satanic-l...I, if anyone, I have been the one to use Satanic-like language in that I have mentioned many times the darkness of the leadership of the RCC. I believe that darkness stemming from authoritarian opinion emanating from religious leaders has at times lead civil leadership toward wrong mindedness, and toward a lack of factually based action. The example of the RCC Episcopacy if anything leads toward a civil darkness that could include some of the political policies involving nuclear devices, weapons and electric plants as well as of decent social justice policy. It has lead to a boarder line mentality of authoritarian stupidity toward the ethics of scientific and medical discovery. (In particular the medical exploration of stem cells in the United States.) So I very much agree that most western religions are not adding much to wisdom and/or ethical standards. I believe that civil society has produced by far more ethical advances than have the churches and that western religion particularly at this stage of evolution of knowledge are particularly not helpful to scientists, philosophers, ethicists, historians or mothers and fathers. <br /><br />I do not agree that man lacks wisdom in what to do with knowledge but I do believe that the lack of understanding the harmful effects of greed, avarice and envy are much more the problem. I can not understand why religions have not attempted to delineate and explain the harmful nature of these capital sins. The RCC in the U.S. has many bishops that even support the greedy parts of capitalism instead of attempting to explain these sins to their people, they have encouraged grave amoral behaviors. <br />It doesn't take much to see a dark side in the Vatican. Reading Hans Kung or Yallum's book concerning JP 1 adds much evidence and are good places to begin. <br />(cont to next page)rdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-13939962825064730382011-10-04T20:24:23.717-06:002011-10-04T20:24:23.717-06:00colkoch, your method of communication sometimes is...colkoch, your method of communication sometimes is abusive. Perhaps you need to be aware of that. And speaking of people as "we humans" seems pompous. You are also not specific but speak in generalities. If you are used to speaking to only groups of us "humans" and cannot recognize that one size does not fit all, that seems like not knowing how to use the wisdom you have with the knowledge you have.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-90779163278881163052011-10-04T13:47:30.303-06:002011-10-04T13:47:30.303-06:00Well, I wasn't using "satanic' langua...Well, I wasn't using "satanic' language. Nor do I desire to play into their game. Your comment does not help colkoch. I would suggest some more clarification on your part as to the concept of "satan" or satanic" or the one who tempted Jesus.<br /><br />I do agree with you that our religions do not in general add to the wisdom pool. There are many within those religions who have contributed to the wisdom pool.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-10781548558514135672011-10-04T10:25:31.253-06:002011-10-04T10:25:31.253-06:00FWIW: In my Air Force career [I retired in 2010], ...FWIW: In my Air Force career [I retired in 2010], I never saw anything overtly religious on the job. Of course I also did not run into many academy grads; and I was enlisted, not commissioned. IMHO, while the dominionists are making the Air Force Academy look bad, it really doesn't show a terribly full picture of what the religious make-up of the Air Force is. The Air Force does encourage its members to follow some sort of religious/spiritual path. But I never felt they were trying to direct anyone down a particular path. The academy is a training environment - not real-world blue suit Air Force. I'd imagine that once some of those dominionist-type academy grads get into the real Air Force, they will learn more real-world pragmatism on the matter.T'Pelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14497973041430354008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-51748385203486576132011-10-03T22:55:55.117-06:002011-10-03T22:55:55.117-06:00Problem is using 'satanic' language plays ...Problem is using 'satanic' language plays into their game. It's not about Satan, It's about people actually eating the fruit. We keep eating the fruit of knowledge without admitting we don't have the wisdom to know what to do with the knowledge. We humans do it all the time in all scientific disciplines. Unfortunately our religions do not in general add to the wisdom pool.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-72947680161883309282011-10-03T20:14:06.984-06:002011-10-03T20:14:06.984-06:00This is the sort of thing that should get all Amer...This is the sort of thing that should get all Americans to wake up and maybe the UN to get involved, get this exposed to end this dangerous and Satanic justification for wiping people off the face of the earth. This is the sort of story that gets my heart thumpin' real fast, as if on a roller coaster ride. I've got to take deep breaths to just read on. <br /><br />Nuclear weapons need to be dismantled everywhere. There really is no Christian justification for nuclear weapons. period. imho<br /><br />ButterflyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-28399793322050614952011-10-03T19:33:11.482-06:002011-10-03T19:33:11.482-06:00This could never happen in the UK - we are far too...This could never happen in the UK - we are far too secular for that. And a good thing too, IMO.Rat-biternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-43441569859365569602011-10-03T15:04:31.657-06:002011-10-03T15:04:31.657-06:00Mikey Weinstein came to speak at a temple in my to...Mikey Weinstein came to speak at a temple in my town, and he gave an excellent presentation. He is absolutely right about the dangers the dominionists in the military pose to their fellow service members and the democratic governance of the U.S..khughes1963https://www.blogger.com/profile/16118365554189078448noreply@blogger.com