tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post9020303072747244386..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Fr Cutie: In The End The Woman Wins---And The Episcopalian Churchcolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-83960782452449321262009-06-01T12:50:24.430-06:002009-06-01T12:50:24.430-06:00"Celibacy is a form of fasting from something good..."Celibacy is a form of fasting from something good, not a freedom from the limitations of loving a particular person."<br /><br />Shoot, I always thought it was about the avoidance of something bad :)colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-60571456983006253992009-06-01T11:47:02.134-06:002009-06-01T11:47:02.134-06:00"An argument that has been advanced in favor of pr..."An argument that has been advanced in favor of priestly celibacy suggests that the person who is not committed to one woman or set of children is free to love all. This should be seen as nonsense. It should not be necessary to point out that if cannot love one woman or child in the flesh, you can’t love anyone , much less everyone. I do not mean at all that celibates cannot love deeply, but this argument won’t do. Celibacy is a form of fasting from something good, not a freedom from the limitations of loving a particular person. And the associated argument from practicality – an unmarried priest can spend more time on ministry – has two sides. On the one hand, I have not in fact found celibate priests to be harder working or more dedicated than the married Orthodox priests I know. Frankly, some celibates seem adolescent in their approach to their schedules, regarding their time as their own, and resent interruptions in a way that most parents learn to drop after the first child or two. The other side of the question is the possibility that if a married priesthood increased the number of available priests, the celibate priests who are now stretched thin on the ground might not be burning out so frequently – though burnout is also a problem for Orthodox priests, for Protestant ministers, and for rabbis. … One practical question is often brought up: could the average Catholic parish afford a married priest, with his family’s needs? It isn’t easy, but it should be noted that most of the parishes in the Orthodox Church in America are relatively small – from one hundred to 300 families – and that while most are not wealthy, they manage."<br /> <br />(John Garvey, “Priests Should Be Married”, Commonweal, August 12, 2005.)<br /><br />Jim McCreaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-4322323774075055102009-06-01T08:23:54.739-06:002009-06-01T08:23:54.739-06:00At Pentecost Sunday services, RC Archbishop John C...At Pentecost Sunday services, RC Archbishop John C. Favalora's letter was read to parishioners --<br /><br />“Father Cutie’s actions have caused grave scandal within the Catholic Church, harmed the Archdiocese of Miami — especially our priests — and led to division within the ecumenical community and the community at large.”<br /><br />Amazing the archbishop can say this with a straight face.<br /><br /><I>"Grave scandal</I>?? Just look at what's happening in Ireland now. Makes the US clergy abuse scandal look mild by comparison. Everything he accuses Fr. Cutie of doing is being done a thousand fold by the institutional Roman church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-1144472857872159882009-05-30T21:05:13.591-06:002009-05-30T21:05:13.591-06:00Clayton, you asked, "Why do you assume the worst m...Clayton, you asked, "Why do you assume the worst motives of church officials?"<br /><br />Very simply, they have a very public record that demonstrates their "worst" motives. The pedophile coverup, the 2008 election, the Irish fiasco, Notre Dame, gay bashing, and attempted extortion and bribery of public officials to name a few. There is ample public evidence to support the premise that the one thing RCC leadership can be counted on to do is the wrong thing.<br /><br />Admittedly, this may only be a percentage of the total, however, the silence of the remainder is still implied consent for these actions, which in my personal opinion makes them equally guilty.COL55https://www.blogger.com/profile/07057765287988790129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-26058189271032080802009-05-30T16:34:22.126-06:002009-05-30T16:34:22.126-06:00colkoch,
Perhaps. One hopes. Although it seems th...colkoch,<br /><br />Perhaps. One hopes. Although it seems that the Episcopal bishop (Frade) is more interested in growing his congregation than in ecumenical concerns. <A HREF="http://www.miamiherald.com/news/5min/story/1072731.html" REL="nofollow">See his comments in today's Miami Herald</A>.CDEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01442791960391683444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-45932688721599444572009-05-30T13:21:42.584-06:002009-05-30T13:21:42.584-06:00Clayton, don't you think that if Fr. Cutie didn't ...Clayton, don't you think that if Fr. Cutie didn't have such a high media profile that the usual channels would have been followed.<br /><br />I don't quite understand why Cutie never contacted Bishop Favarola after May 5th. I kind of wonder what that says about their relationship. That to me is the real breach of protocol in that Cutie himself sandbagged Bishop Favarola.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-25225510263908860712009-05-30T13:07:01.344-06:002009-05-30T13:07:01.344-06:00COL55:
Why do you assume the worst motives of chu...COL55:<br /><br />Why do you assume the worst motives of church officials?<br /><br />The Episcopalian point of contact for ecumenical relations has gone on record saying HE was uneasy with the way things were handled:<br /><br /><EM>Favalora said his archdiocese "has never made a public display when, for doctrinal reasons, Episcopal priests have joined the Catholic Church and sought ordination ... I regret that Bishop Frade has not afforded me or the Catholic community the same courtesy and respect."<br /><br />Even Episcopalians say Favalora has a point. Bishop Christopher Epting, the Episcopal Church's point man for interfaith affairs, said Friday, "There's no written rule, but it's certainly been the informal understanding between all our ecumenical partners that it's not something one seeks headlines about. It doesn't help us ecumenically."<br /><br />There's a delicate diplomacy to conversions, with long-established protocols to ensure that interfaith bridges that take decades to build are not burned in a single afternoon. Epting said the Episcopal Church's ecumenical office, which is usually consulted on all conversions, was not informed about the ceremony ahead of time.<br /><br />"I wish we had been consulted," Epting said. "We will be pursuing this." (<A HREF="http://blog.beliefnet.com/news/2009/05/celebrity-priests-conversion-s.php" REL="nofollow">source</A>)</EM>CDEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01442791960391683444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-15680595657799091942009-05-30T08:53:26.361-06:002009-05-30T08:53:26.361-06:00Clayton, if I read what you wrote correctly, you a...Clayton, if I read what you wrote correctly, you are stating that ecuminical relations is a function of media coverage ie, ecuminical relations are at their highest with the catholic church when there is no negative press coverage that embarasses the magisterial authorities?<br /><br />When there was mass defection of the homophobic episcopalean element into the catholic church it was not a problem for the ecumincal relations, but a positive step toward ecuminical unity. Now, with the flow going the other way, it is a serious setback.<br /><br />As I said, twisted absurdity and deception, which have been and continue to be the hallmark of the magisterial authorities in this country. Deception in that they continue to lie about their true intentions.COL55https://www.blogger.com/profile/07057765287988790129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-30117384947016380632009-05-30T07:20:16.283-06:002009-05-30T07:20:16.283-06:00Clayton, maybe not in so much in the States, but t...Clayton, maybe not in so much in the States, but that's not at all true in the UK.<br /><br />Butterfly, I believe he can't say Mass for a year. He has to bone up on Anglican history and doctrine.<br /><br />Annonymous, that would be an interesting solution, but perhaps a very costly one.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-11403730210558470522009-05-30T06:26:46.740-06:002009-05-30T06:26:46.740-06:00(How come it's not a serious setback to ecumenical...<EM> (How come it's not a serious setback to ecumenical relationships when it goes the other way?)</EM>Because the Catholic Church doesn't allow such occasions to become media events, out of respect for the Episcopal Church.CDEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01442791960391683444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-52592227162371515302009-05-29T22:32:48.095-06:002009-05-29T22:32:48.095-06:00I am wondering why it will take a year for Fr. Cut...I am wondering why it will take a year for Fr. Cutie to receive Communion, or did I read that wrong and he can receive, just not be the Celebrant?butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-41666834371922809172009-05-29T14:32:33.604-06:002009-05-29T14:32:33.604-06:00Well, maybe the old men, and I mean really old men...Well, maybe the old men, and I mean really old men in Miami and the Vatican ought to say: "Yes, we will recognize the Episcopal Church as a legitimate rite within the Roman Church." Let the switching begin!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-59847356836852474232009-05-29T14:29:06.658-06:002009-05-29T14:29:06.658-06:00I suspect that Fr Cutie's actions will have a ripp...I suspect that Fr Cutie's actions will have a ripple effect throughout the Catholic Church in the months to come. <br /><br />Ironic isnt it; the catholic church leadership is saying "get out, we dont want you anymore, but you still have to obey OUR rules". Many colorful epithets come to mind right now, but I will stick with "exactly what I expect from sexually repressed geriatric homophobes". <br /><br />That really sums up the absurdity of the RCC Leadership's twisted mentality and adds one more piece of evidence to the premise that "if the Vatican says it is right and good, then it probably isnt". (My personal mantra)<br /><br />Perhaps this will trigger a massive exodus of catholics who have been struggling with the twisted absurdity of the RCC leadership into congregations where they can be more fully nourished and supported spiritually. While no group or congregation is anywhere near perfect, as we have so often seen in the past 12 months alone, the Catholic Church seems hell bent on setting the fullest example of what christianity is NOT.COL55https://www.blogger.com/profile/07057765287988790129noreply@blogger.com