tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post1628257225733543614..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Pope Francis On The Possibility of Married Priestscolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-24504231125639502662014-07-18T21:06:06.497-06:002014-07-18T21:06:06.497-06:00Yes--they were popularly chosen in the early churc...Yes--they were popularly chosen in the early church. With life expectancy up short terms are a great idea as well.thomachucknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-69301364706347535762014-07-18T21:00:18.715-06:002014-07-18T21:00:18.715-06:00Wouldn't an "officially" schismatize...Wouldn't an "officially" schismatized church make things really interesting? It seems we are not that far from one now. My local parish community's culture is far different from what Francis professes.thomachucknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-40786005235876723522014-07-02T08:59:05.636-06:002014-07-02T08:59:05.636-06:00So that's how you have such a grotesquely high...So that's how you have such a grotesquely high percentage of gays in the clergy; all the straights asked for a dispensation, the ones left behind didn't want to get married (at least not to women).<br />What a freak show.George Waitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-2572808730132104432014-04-24T12:27:41.487-06:002014-04-24T12:27:41.487-06:00We have married priest in the Catholic Church now....We have married priest in the Catholic Church now. My friend is a RCC priest is married and has children. <br /><br /><br />Read more..<br />http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/MARPRIE.HTMD brannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-42708679479085624972014-04-17T02:55:43.714-06:002014-04-17T02:55:43.714-06:00We get educated by parents and parishes and school...We get educated by parents and parishes and schools, not by the Vatican. The Magisterium doesn't teach, teachers/catechists do.<br />If things are getting between young people and a living faith, those things will be things in and close to their daily lives.Invictus_88http://fora.tv/myfora/9668/Invictus_88noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-84068983576690779342014-04-16T20:29:49.869-06:002014-04-16T20:29:49.869-06:00The Mystical Body....it's getting harder and h...The Mystical Body....it's getting harder and harder for Catholics <br />educated under the Institutional Magisterium to make that connection. <br />God we need more people to make the real connections. You seem to have done that Invictus <br />and I treasure it, but don't let the Magisterium color it to the point you kill it.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-8705407251802144372014-04-16T20:03:01.443-06:002014-04-16T20:03:01.443-06:00I strongly suspect you never thought about this at...I strongly suspect you never thought about this at all until I pointed it out. Yes Christianity moved fast and had dedicated, socially diverse support, because the Holy Spirit moves amongst people....not especially clerics.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-56537396177505857112014-04-16T20:01:15.420-06:002014-04-16T20:01:15.420-06:00Matt this was totally funny. I think Invictus emb...Matt this was totally funny. I think Invictus embodies the same criteria, except for the liberalist thing. LOLcolkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-35525151813633250252014-04-16T19:58:41.035-06:002014-04-16T19:58:41.035-06:00Just wait. It will happen because otherwise Pope ...Just wait. It will happen because otherwise Pope Francis looks like a solo scriptura Catholic.....and that he is not and never has been.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-6895064581993120332014-04-16T11:17:58.634-06:002014-04-16T11:17:58.634-06:00Hopeless... doomed....whitest.....liberalest. M...Hopeless... doomed....whitest.....liberalest. More of the same, unconquered. Good thing we have you here to harangue us into propriety.Matt Connollynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-53827781128479484502014-04-16T10:01:25.578-06:002014-04-16T10:01:25.578-06:00Truth is insistent. And as errors are exposed by t...Truth is insistent. And as errors are exposed by the enlightenment of truth, change will happen. The dynamic of divine Word-process will infect. Surely it will take time; cultural change happens in the course of history, of evolving enlightenment. Pope Francis is speaking to this matter even now. Credit some truth to all movements, religions, even though falsehoods continue to entangle truths. If we pursue conscience, the truth will out.sylvesterpatsteffennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-13076857169744580002014-04-16T07:25:50.619-06:002014-04-16T07:25:50.619-06:00It grew fast and had dedicated, socially diverse s...It grew fast and had dedicated, socially diverse support, and the Holy Spirit.<br />This has a YouTube video and a support base mostly drawn from viewers of TED Talks, the whitest and liberallest folks around.Invictus_88http://fora.tv/myfora/9668/Invictus_88noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-72459913593375217902014-04-16T07:21:04.818-06:002014-04-16T07:21:04.818-06:00You need to check cell phone statistics in the dev...You need to check cell phone statistics in the developing world. You might be surprised.<br /><br />Need I remind you that Jesus started out with very few followers and no internet and in less than two hundred years Christianity was a major force amongst the white bourgeois of Europe and the not white bourgeois of North Africa?colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-80493915224110308082014-04-16T07:10:39.152-06:002014-04-16T07:10:39.152-06:00Well, it's not happening is it. It is doing no...Well, it's not happening is it. It is doing nothing.Invictus_88http://fora.tv/myfora/9668/Invictus_88noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-55526310023161644192014-04-16T07:10:13.013-06:002014-04-16T07:10:13.013-06:00How hopelessly bourgeois! The most desperately in ...How hopelessly bourgeois! The most desperately in need have to internet access, and no prospect of it in the near future. I think this is just a doomed white liberal meme. 100,000 signatories in...years now? Meaningless.Invictus_88http://fora.tv/myfora/9668/Invictus_88noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-83351015713781995632014-04-16T07:03:37.734-06:002014-04-16T07:03:37.734-06:00All it will take to make more headway is for relig...All it will take to make more headway is for religious leaders such as Pope Francis to sign on. And that will not surprise me should it happen.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-49003716636944056732014-04-16T07:01:59.612-06:002014-04-16T07:01:59.612-06:00There's always going to be a certain percentag...There's always going to be a certain percentage of folks whose need for security is going to trump anything else. Humanity will find ways to honor and care for those concerns because that particular segment will never be able to extend the same in the other direction. <br /><br />The internet is the tool that's going to connect and open a lot societies. The key is to look at what is happening in the expectations of women.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-76645274429449312492014-04-16T05:04:02.654-06:002014-04-16T05:04:02.654-06:00Is it, though? I mean, 83,000, mostly white wester...Is it, though? I mean, 83,000, mostly white westerners, have signed up to it. <br /><br />While that's bigger than SSPX, it's smaller than Druidism or Rastafarianism, so not exactly well placed for the uniting together of 1billion+ Catholics with 1billion myriad other Christian types, with 1.6billion Muslims, 1billion Hindus...etc etc etc. Even Scientology apparently stands around 500,00. <br /><br />I mean, is it, really, making headway? <br /><br />Whilst violence against Christians in the Middle East becomes increasingly dire?Invictus_88http://fora.tv/myfora/9668/Invictus_88noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-58001216005558807332014-04-16T04:41:23.922-06:002014-04-16T04:41:23.922-06:00But how will this openness penetrate the closed so...But how will this openness penetrate the closed societies of the traditional Muslim, the North Korean, the Westboro Baptists?Invictus_88http://fora.tv/myfora/9668/Invictus_88noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-13369448330695830862014-04-15T11:48:09.727-06:002014-04-15T11:48:09.727-06:00Communication has the potential of putting people ...Communication has the potential of putting people on the same page in life. Today, virtually everyone can be connected to anyone globally. Communication transforms consciousness. Deep-rooted ignorance, no matter under what label, is challenged more and more by open communication.sylvesterpatsteffennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-50635745106473755642014-04-15T07:14:53.992-06:002014-04-15T07:14:53.992-06:00I think the very first thing that must be accompli...I think the very first thing that must be accomplished is an understanding of how that is enculturated through generations. Augustine posited original sin and it was, for it's time, a good theory. Now we understand the power of early enculturation and how that both fosters civilization and concretizes historical hate. We have to become far more mindful of this process. <br /><br />Secondly we have to take Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs far more seriously....and right now, I have to take that so seriously I must quit and go to work before I make myself late.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-46043145212869642522014-04-15T06:38:37.302-06:002014-04-15T06:38:37.302-06:00I see what you mean...but practically speaking, wh...I see what you mean...but practically speaking, what should be the form and substance of our charter of compassion if we are to have Jews and Muslims feel welcome to be part of Ecumenical Christianity?Invictus_88http://fora.tv/myfora/9668/Invictus_88noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-2994443301126428472014-04-15T05:42:49.233-06:002014-04-15T05:42:49.233-06:00Ecumenical Christianity doesn't exclude anyone...Ecumenical Christianity doesn't exclude anyone. It looks for the points of commonality and celebrates those points. Compassion is one such commonality and this is why the Charter for Compassion is making headway across all denominational/spiritual/religious categories.<br /><br />I won't see this movement gain ascendancy in my lifetime, but should I return in a hundred years or so, I might be very pleasantly surprised. The evolution of consciousness is towards unity, not division. The seeming split between right and left, conservative and progressive, socialism and fascism is the old understanding of social organization defending it's here to for unchallenged right to dominate. It'll be ugly for awhile, but humanity will move forward into the unknown and yet to be defined. It's called bringing the Kingdom to earth.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-66936790824186221222014-04-15T03:57:51.511-06:002014-04-15T03:57:51.511-06:00But that is still exclusionary, don't you see?...But that is still exclusionary, don't you see? I mean, for a true Ecumenical Christianity, for a true uniting of ALL peoples, one must have to include not exclude the Muslim peoples, Hindus, pagans, otherwise you're just pushing your "we don't want you" line into a different place. How practically would you do this?Invictus_88http://fora.tv/myfora/9668/Invictus_88noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-24712329951387279082014-04-15T03:41:36.372-06:002014-04-15T03:41:36.372-06:00It is my sense that "Ecumenical" Christi...It is my sense that "Ecumenical" Christianity means "universal", everyone belonging, everyone called, in the cosmic sense. Jesus is The Cosmic Christ.<br />==================================<br />"Ecumenical Christianity is already among you." Thanks for that Agni Ashwin. What you say is true. Biologically, all experience the ecumenism of God-Present in the Naturalis Sacrammentum Ordinis, and in the open Call of the Good News Gospel.<br />However, theologically, this truth isn't universally acknowledged and celebrated. Roman Catholicism makes exclusionary claims on Divine Presence in the Consecration and Breaking of the Bread. This exclusionary assertion puts Christian denominations at odds institutionally, and in effect makes of pastors and priests front-line salespersons in the consumer capitalist game of commercial pietism. The game is to increase institutional membership -- at a price.<br />Jesus's call is that "all may be one". The Christ Gospel of Good News nowhere calls for exclusion. Cultic exclusion is an artifice of institutional self-perpetuation -- not what Jesus was about nor what He sanctions.<br />Christian Denominations should in good faith open their doors and invite all of good faith to their Tables in the "sharing of the Bread", without preconditions of denominational self-advantaging. Pope Francis seems to be tending in this direction. Bishops. Get on board with Jesus. Be unconditional in inviting people to the Table of the Lord.sylvesterpatsteffennoreply@blogger.com