tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post1688868690976264756..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Biden And The Bishopscolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-14304306894668515862008-08-29T08:14:00.000-06:002008-08-29T08:14:00.000-06:00Colleen, I see that we have had a visitor here nam...Colleen, I see that we have had a visitor here named Austin Ruse who believes we "are deeply confused and troubled." I got a good chuckle from that line and from the name Ruse which means (an action intended to deceive someone; a trick). <BR/><BR/>Coming out of the woodwork in this election season, obviously, will be the foes with their ruses and rude remarks with no substance or validity, prejudices and perverted sense of reality and truth.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-48682894302017697622008-08-29T06:56:00.000-06:002008-08-29T06:56:00.000-06:00Austin, my point was that the dems picked Biden ir...Austin, my point was that the dems picked Biden irrespective of knowing it would make the bishops angry.<BR/><BR/>I didn't say faithful Catholics should make up their minds at the gas pump, I said that would have a major impact on who they voted for.<BR/><BR/>Voting for the party which will reduce our dependence on foreign oil is a moral choice.<BR/><BR/>Answer me a question though, I really don't understand why conservatives would call progressives self hating Catholics. Self hate and unworthness is endemic to the atonement theology of conservatives.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-54606465384675983012008-08-28T20:58:00.000-06:002008-08-28T20:58:00.000-06:00Austin, spoken like a true FO with a severe case o...Austin, spoken like a true FO with a severe case of HUTA. <BR/><BR/>But you are correct about one thing, I am troubled. Troubled by a Magisterial Authority that lies, steals, sodomizes children, and then claims they were acting in the name of God when they did it. And, troubled that you have chosen to align yourself with and defend criminal behavior.COL55https://www.blogger.com/profile/07057765287988790129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-47795874744437608102008-08-28T18:53:00.000-06:002008-08-28T18:53:00.000-06:00I would say that you and the others on this blog a...I would say that you and the others on this blog are deeply confused and troubled. You think the Dems picked Biden to make the Bishops angry. Aaaaaaaa right. You believe that faithful Catholics should make up their mind at the gas pump rather than on moral issues. Yes, I would say you all are self-hating Catholics and pretty silly to boot.<BR/><BR/>Best regards,<BR/><BR/>Austin RuseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-62162273530266486542008-08-28T13:14:00.000-06:002008-08-28T13:14:00.000-06:00So interesting that the spirit of heretoday would ...So interesting that the spirit of heretoday would come up today Colleen. I was very surprised when he announced he was going to a monastery instead of in a parish type setting. I was really blown away when he said he was becoming a Cistercian. I think of him often and how he will be will getting in touch with Our Father. It is good and it is hopeful. He will have much time to think about things outside the box.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-3070532752763392252008-08-28T12:37:00.000-06:002008-08-28T12:37:00.000-06:00"I had one of those aha moments at mass this morni..."I had one of those aha moments at mass this morning. It is clear that we are moving toward a massive shift away from fundamentalism and toward mysticism. It is also clear, but no surprise, that the Magisterial authorities are doing their best to keep that evolution from happening. I think that is what is behind all of the changes. Fear that the people will see and understand truth."<BR/><BR/>You are so on target here Carl. The trend is most certainly towards mysticism and away from fundamentalism. When I was reading this I couldn't help but flash on Heretoday. He never did get this, but he finally acted on it. He took the path of the mystic and he will find out it does not lead to fundamentalism.<BR/><BR/>There were times I wanted to reach through my computer screen and shake him, but I always knew the mystical streak in him would win out no matter how he tried to justify it. In a very real sense he is the poster child for what you have written. It will be interesting to see how much he changes as he pursuits his mystical path.<BR/><BR/>Butterfly I'm all for the wafer wars. This is exactly the kind of stupid thinking that led to the issuance of Humanae Vitae. The kind of thinking that puts the notion that protecting the infallibile teaching authority of the Vatican is best accomplished by reasserting it's infallible authority. The fact is, issuing Humanae Vitae accomplished just the opposite. Instead of bolstering Vatican authority in the laity, it decimated it. The communion wars are just more of the same failed strategy. Keep it up and there will be forsale signs on Vatican property.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-75242552909829289912008-08-28T12:21:00.000-06:002008-08-28T12:21:00.000-06:00Thank God for your sane and humane view Colleen. I...Thank God for your sane and humane view Colleen. I think Joseph Biden was an excellent choice for Obama as well. If fundamentalist's view this as a slap in the face, then they should consider it a slap in the face. Slap, Slap and more slap. Hopefully the slap will wake them up from their single issue comatose state of mind that wreaked havoc on this country for the last eight years with the likes of GW Bush and Cheney.<BR/><BR/>I do not relish the idea of "wafer wars" but it looks like we may be headed there by the likes of Chaput and their supporters like Thomas on NCR. Let the wafer wars begin.<BR/><BR/>I am so glad you are back!butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-35249842527461608182008-08-28T10:32:00.000-06:002008-08-28T10:32:00.000-06:00Colleen, itis really good to have you back.Great s...Colleen, itis really good to have you back.<BR/><BR/>Great story (casino camera) about the power of imagination and creative visualization.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps we should try visualizing the Vatican real estate empty with a for sale sign on it. <BR/><BR/>Even better, perhaps we should visualize prison cells filled with men wearing red shoes and red hats.<BR/><BR/>Isnt it interesting that in his entire senate career, it was never a problem for Biden to receive communion, but now that he stands to be vice-president, even though his position hasnt changed, now it is a problem for the Magisterial Authorities? <BR/><BR/>My guess is, Obama refused to "play ball" with the pope the way Bush did, and that is the real reason for this being an issue now.<BR/><BR/>My new mantra is going to be:<BR/>"Just one more piece of evidence to support the premise: If the Vatican says it is good, it probably isnt."<BR/><BR/>I agree with the excitement about Obama and Biden, first time in decades I feel like there is a candidate to vote FOR, instead of trying to discern which one to vote against.<BR/><BR/>I dont agree with the catholic analysts. They are just pontificating the Vatican view to gain brownie points in their personal power struggles. Isnt in interesting that most if not all of them are men?<BR/><BR/>Can we spell "H Y P O C R I S Y" ?<BR/><BR/>I had one of those aha moments at mass this morning. It is clear that we are moving toward a massive shift away from fundamentalism and toward mysticism. It is also clear, but no surprise, that the Magisterial authorities are doing their best to keep that evolution from happening. I think that is what is behind all of the changes. Fear that the people will see and understand truth. <BR/><BR/>When the mass of the laity does evolve, we could very well see empty buildings in the Vatican with "for sale" signs. When the people realize that they no longer need anyone to intercede between them and God, and that each of us is able to receive our guidance through direct divine inspiration, the Magisterial authority would no longer have the same purpose. Since they are unwilling to evolve, in effect, they no longer have a purpose.COL55https://www.blogger.com/profile/07057765287988790129noreply@blogger.com