tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post1825030085951826001..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: In France Some Catholic Bishops Don't Appear To Be On Pope Benedict's Wavelengthcolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-68692497603677415232013-01-26T20:44:41.651-07:002013-01-26T20:44:41.651-07:00Adam, Bill Lyndsey has translated the French bisho...Adam, Bill Lyndsey has translated the French bishops statement at his blog and it's a very interesting read. The French position is much more nuanced than either the Vatican's or the USCCB's. And it also minimizes the God talk in favor of reality. It's probably the most cogent piece of writing on the subject of gay marriage any official body in the Church has produced in a very long time.<br /><br />http://bilgrimage.blogspot.com/2013/01/french-catholic-bishops-statement-on.htmlcolkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-27268682566617146082013-01-24T10:19:00.319-07:002013-01-24T10:19:00.319-07:00I have to slightly disagree, but only because of F...I have to slightly disagree, but only because of French culture. The French are, unfortunately, fairly well known for their discrimination (you'd think the culture with the least amount of work-related stress in the world would be a bit more relaxed about those things!). Anyway, the fact that any French bishops are "speaking out" in favour of anything that even approximates something like a step towards equality is, to me, a pretty nice positive. Is it a big enough step? No, probably not. But you're not about to change French culture overnight either.<br /><br />Just remember, this is the country that made it illegal for girls to wear headscarves in school because it was "religious." Adam Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-78062128483065098102013-01-21T08:19:36.329-07:002013-01-21T08:19:36.329-07:00You're are right Bill, itt would be a herculea...You're are right Bill, itt would be a herculean task to find any notion of real 'redemption' in their intent. Back in the day the Vatican did it's best to justify anti Semitism and now it is most certainly bending over backwards to justify right wing attacks on gays, and for the same reasons: to foster autocracy and elitism at the expense of a designated class of ritually impure others.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-53669256870752745242013-01-21T08:15:27.474-07:002013-01-21T08:15:27.474-07:00Exactly Rat, if we're going to go all New Test...Exactly Rat, if we're going to go all New Testamental why is there a ban on married clergy and religious?colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-22380434858465909802013-01-21T07:13:31.307-07:002013-01-21T07:13:31.307-07:00Colleen, I'm so glad you're highlighting t...Colleen, I'm so glad you're highlighting this French discussion. I think you're absolutely right to conclude that the ultimate goal of many right-wing Catholics in France and elsewhere is simply to marginalize and exclude those who are gay: period.<br /><br />There's nothing redemptive at all in their intent, and it ultimately derives from the deep and unacknowledged fascist roots of right-wing Catholicism in Europe in the 20th century. The gays are simply the latest in a long line of hapless victims like the Jews, who prove instrumentally useful to mount bogus fascist culture wars against modernity and democracy. <br /><br />I love your line at the start of this piece about how reading the comments at the LifeSite news article makes you proud to be a cafeteria Catholic. Indeed.William D. Lindseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246026074693891965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-73468467499737330402013-01-20T22:24:50.556-07:002013-01-20T22:24:50.556-07:00"In this way, the Pope once clarified, humans..."In this way, the Pope once clarified, humans deny their own nature and decide that not only is this nature a preconceived fact but they create it themselves." <br /><br />## That would apply very well to monasticism and the denial of marriage to the clergy. If we are going to be New Testamental, why the ban on marriage for clergy ? Rat-biternoreply@blogger.com