tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post1993685971524420234..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Benedict Inventifacts The Croatian Catholic History Of WWIIcolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-54102746099062046452011-06-07T06:16:57.924-06:002011-06-07T06:16:57.924-06:00Thanks Dennis. That is very fascinating first hand...Thanks Dennis. That is very fascinating first hand information about Italy after JPI's death. I also find it interesting that the first thing JPII did was put the Vatican Bank directly under his sole authority. Must have been inspired by the Holy Spirit.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-85906527610689578092011-06-06T23:27:54.475-06:002011-06-06T23:27:54.475-06:00Several years ago I read the speech that Cardinal ...Several years ago I read the speech that Cardinal Stepinac read to the court at the time he was convicted by the Soviet Judge. He was very upset that he was called simply Stepinac or the cleric Stepinac and said many times Don’t you know that you are speaking to the Cardinal of the great city of Zagreb. He discussed the historic significance of this city in detail. The narcissistic injury projected by this man foretells the feelings of clerics today under Benedict and what I refer to as the Clerical Crisis. A crisis of disbelief that the Holy Spirit speaks equally to the People of God as she does to the clerics. A crisis of clerics believing that they indeed are infallible in their statements and beliefs when Roman Robes to not signify Christ or even Christianity. <br /><br />Conspiracy theories? Many Popes, Prime Ministers and Presidents were assassinated throughout history, some were clandestine and some not. I traveled Italy shortly after the death of JP1 and the whispers on the street at that time was that he was poisoned because he wanted to “clean up the Vatican Bank.” Sometimes the street gossip is correct! At any rate JPII never mentioned the majors Banking issues of that day with so many murders or suicides of the men involved in running Banco Ambrosia. I find this fact curious since it was one of the major agendas’ of his immediate predecessor. Sign me a little SUSPICIOUS. <br /><br />Finally all the conservative papers at the time of the Papal visit to Zagreb had articles about this “Blessed Man” while all the Jewish articles and at least one Zagreb radio station pointed to a more realistic history. dennisrdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-8801459539753374322011-06-06T20:01:02.962-06:002011-06-06T20:01:02.962-06:00Ecce Homo, there is nothing in the quote from Avro...Ecce Homo, there is nothing in the quote from Avro Manhattan that can't be verified from numerous independent sources. I really don't care what his conspiracy theory self postulated elsewhere, his synopsis of the Ustache genocide is identical to many other respected historians.<br /><br />You may consider his facts bigoted protestantism, but then truth hurts.<br />Stepanic was a war criminal who demonstrated little desire to control his priests in their slaughter of Jews, Serbs, Moslems and Roma. That Benedict is trying to pass him off as a Christian defender of these populations is utterly abhorent. Not to mention an outright lie.<br /><br />I am not anti Catholic or pro protestant, I am anti Vatican clericalism. I don't happen to think Vatican clericalism has one thing to do with Christianity, but it does have a lot do with temporal power. If that makes me a protestant, I'm in very good company.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-38246853519768114442011-06-06T17:00:37.479-06:002011-06-06T17:00:37.479-06:00Manhattan's work does need to be taken with a ...Manhattan's work does need to be taken with a pinch of salt. His work tends to be peddled by the Jack T. Chick types. Benedict's historical amnesia is appalling, but that does not mean that Manhattan's work is flawless. I tend to get cranky when I hear conspiracy theories regardless of ideology. They are a sign of lazy thinking.khughes1963https://www.blogger.com/profile/16118365554189078448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-55553488017185613602011-06-06T16:17:16.079-06:002011-06-06T16:17:16.079-06:00I think you'd better find out a little bit abo...I think you'd better find out a little bit about Avro Manhattan. Or do you want to change the title of this blog from 'Enlightened Catholicism' to 'Bigoted Protestantism'?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-41722836235693097212011-06-06T11:23:15.186-06:002011-06-06T11:23:15.186-06:00What was even worse about the whole Stepinac/Ustas...What was even worse about the whole Stepinac/Ustasha business was that certain Vatican officials enabled some prominent Ustasha and Nazi officials, like Ante Pavelic, to escape to Spain or other parts of the world. Pavelic wound up assassinated, but others escaped justice.khughes1963https://www.blogger.com/profile/16118365554189078448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-60918001849687511452011-06-06T11:20:15.975-06:002011-06-06T11:20:15.975-06:00Jayden, I've always found it fascinating how s...Jayden, I've always found it fascinating how some conspiracy theorists wind up missing in action. Leads me to believe they were discovering real conspiracy truth not engaging in conspiracy theories.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-27656839566278295592011-06-06T11:17:51.977-06:002011-06-06T11:17:51.977-06:00I read Allen's piece as well, and of course po...I read Allen's piece as well, and of course popped off in the comments section.<br /><br />I imagine he sleeps at night by convincing himself he's just the messenger not the message.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-51401390393007743512011-06-06T10:46:54.169-06:002011-06-06T10:46:54.169-06:00Just read John Allen's article on the pope'...Just read John Allen's article on the pope's visit to Croatia. <br />I know his writing gives him access to power in the Vatican, but how does he sleep at night?coolmomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-38270335016000354422011-06-06T10:07:32.005-06:002011-06-06T10:07:32.005-06:00Interesting tidbit: Avro Manhatten disappeared fro...Interesting tidbit: Avro Manhatten disappeared from his home in 1990 together with both computers, all his files, and both hard copies of his yet to be published book linking the CIA, MI6 (and others) to the assassinations of John Paul I and Italian Prime Minister Aldo Moro. Such linkages have been labeled as conspiracy theories, and perhaps so. But I've always been haunted by the image of Avro's study doors leading into his garden left wide open in the night. Wikipedia lists his death as "1990" but not the month or day. No one knows. So many dark secrets in the Vatican, who can fathom them.Richard Demmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17116799651068476195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-47777120853328957902011-06-06T06:54:05.405-06:002011-06-06T06:54:05.405-06:00MaryH, Your point about Vatican II coming directly...MaryH, Your point about Vatican II coming directly from the experience of WWII is one I make frequently to younger Catholics. VII was not the result of John XXIII fevered imagination. It had real antecedents and was to be an antidote for some horrendous truth about Catholic complicity in more than one genocidal attempt in WWII.<br /><br />Except that 'godless communism' card worked so well for the power and influence of the Vatican, they had to keep playing it, but since VII had it's socialist aspects about the Church being the 'People of God' and all, that socialist kind of thinking had to be curtailed--and all that nonsense about the supremacy of the individual conscience. No fascist state would want that kind of thinking percolating on their shores.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-58152452829475062522011-06-06T06:48:19.258-06:002011-06-06T06:48:19.258-06:00Thanks Butterfly. I think what sent me over the ed...Thanks Butterfly. I think what sent me over the edge is comparing Finn to Stepanic. People are rightly demanding Finn's resignation over two abusive priests. <br /><br />Stepanic over saw hundreds of priests directly involved in slaughtering 700,000 Serbs, Jews, Moslems, and Roma and in spite of all the direct evidence, Stepanic has been declared "Blessed". And then we wonder why the Vatican hasn't acted to remove the bishop enablers of sexually abusive preists. I can't wait until Law dies and he becomes a "Blessed Martry" for the faith.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-39174676141676299472011-06-06T05:55:45.547-06:002011-06-06T05:55:45.547-06:00" long term survivability of Catholic influen..." long term survivability of Catholic influence and power" - great phrase. Throughout history, it has almost always been about this with the Vatican and has caused so much suffering.<br />It doesn't have to be like this - it's not what Jesus taught nor what the best people have modeled. It seemed that after the Vatican's complicity in evil in WWII, they were ready to try another path with John XXIII, then backed off quickly when they found they were losing power and control.Mary H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/18319596057433636243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-7719983711496195502011-06-05T23:58:33.014-06:002011-06-05T23:58:33.014-06:00I should have said: It is a criminal mind that wou...I should have said: It is a criminal mind that would side with fascists!!<br /><br />ButterflyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-5706806730125402582011-06-05T23:50:28.714-06:002011-06-05T23:50:28.714-06:00"Mostly they make me angry in the 'here w..."Mostly they make me angry in the 'here we go again' sense, but this time Benedict has turned the pilot light to full bore blazing torch. "<br /><br />Oh, I know the anger and the frustration!!!! You definitely have a way with words, Colleen - <br /><br />"turned the pilot light to full bore blazing torch."<br /><br />My sentiments exactly!!!<br /><br />It's is criminal the very minds that side with fascists!!<br /><br /><br />ButterflyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-32287166890587085792011-06-05T21:17:09.660-06:002011-06-05T21:17:09.660-06:00Jack, Benedict has left me furious on more than on...Jack, Benedict has left me furious on more than one occasion, his take on the indigenous longing for Catholic domination was another one that momentarily sent me over the edge. The common denominator in his inventifacting is this only happens when justifying the collusion of the Catholic Church with autocratic and fascist dictatorial regimes who simultaneously give lip service to their Catholicism and preferential treatment to the Catholic church. Even Hitler had enough sense to sign Pacelli's concordat. He recognized a willing bed partner when he saw one.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-3702272708440190582011-06-05T20:53:14.278-06:002011-06-05T20:53:14.278-06:00Benedict XVI seems to have a leaning toward factla...Benedict XVI seems to have a leaning toward factlacking history. He puzzled many last year with his reference to atheistic Naziism. He outraged a million South Americans with his description of the natives having been silently longing for Christianity, apparently forgetting or ignoring the slaughter, slavery, and suppression of native religion that came with it. In England, he was a bit selective on Christian history, including blithely ignoring the rise of secularism that allowed him to even be there. History clearly isn't his field. It's too bad he can't get any help.Jack Bnoreply@blogger.com