tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post2429335260861575867..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Some Hot Angry Tears Of Betrayalcolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-34562339482029484692008-12-01T15:18:00.000-07:002008-12-01T15:18:00.000-07:00I am not the same anonymous as the person who post...I am not the same anonymous as the person who posted what appears to be the first comment here. But I see more "hate" in the comments which followed than I did in the one which is so "evil". I really only see matter of fact statements in the first comment, which seem to have brought out the anger in most of you.<BR/><BR/>I have no intention of hanging around and I see there have been no comments in awhile so I guess it does not matter anyway.<BR/><BR/>Your understanding of the Catholic Church, what it teaches and its obligations are mistaken and you have been lead astray.<BR/><BR/>By the way,<BR/><BR/>I am a former catholic, as well as you all appear to be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-38708106631658816192008-11-18T19:12:00.000-07:002008-11-18T19:12:00.000-07:00Bill, your comment made me laugh. I will admit tho...Bill, your comment made me laugh. I will admit though, that sometimes I might be that person on other blogs. Sometimes signing up to get a real monicker is a pain.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-31700139722001301772008-11-18T19:07:00.000-07:002008-11-18T19:07:00.000-07:00Carl, I wondered what had gone on with your annulm...Carl, I wondered what had gone on with your annulment proceeding. Your story is just wrong.<BR/><BR/>Mine is not much better. When I was called by the annulment tribunal--I had not instigated the proceedings--I told them I had abosolutely no intention of allowing the birth of another child based on my husband's abusive attitude. One was enough for me to see that more would be a reprehensible lack of responsiblity as a mother on my part. The annulment was granted.<BR/><BR/>It was critical to him that he be allowed to remarry. He's never done so because every other woman recognized his abuse of waiters and waitresses and convenient store attendants ad nauseum. That behavior of his didn't show up until after we were married and it first showed up with our daughter.<BR/><BR/>The whole marriage thing is a crock of shit, and if gay marriage makes our bishops take a real honest look at what these bizarre annulment rules entail, I'm all for gay marriage. So should any self respecting heterosexual who thinks about something beyond their own age bracket.<BR/><BR/>Menopause strikes all women and Viagra can kill heart deficient men. Age and loneliness catch up with all of us if we survive our youth.<BR/><BR/>Maybe someone should tell our bishops that bending over backwards to keep a priest in the fold is a far cry from trying to make a marriage work. Sometimes all the enabling behavior in the world really does make things worse. Spouses seem more ready to face that fact than bishops do.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-47532054901226485772008-11-18T13:47:00.000-07:002008-11-18T13:47:00.000-07:00Actually anonymous, some of that is already here. ...Actually anonymous, some of that is already here. I was told when I asked about an annulment (this came from the bishop) that all I had to do was say I divorced my wife because she had a hysterectomy and could not have more children. He said it would be an open and shut case. A sort of no-fault for me.<BR/><BR/>However, she can never remarry in the church because of it. The church will not recognize her marriage as valid, and if she marries outside the church, she cannot participate in the sacrements because she will be committing adultery. That is not just wrong, it is an attrocity committed in the name of god.<BR/><BR/>I still care about my ex, and it infuriates me that the church she has faithfully served all her life would abandon her in this way. <BR/><BR/>This attrocity is all the evidence that I need to prove to me that the Magisterial Authority does worship a god, but it is not the "One True God".COL55https://www.blogger.com/profile/07057765287988790129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-73614611963100211822008-11-18T13:33:00.000-07:002008-11-18T13:33:00.000-07:00I just returned from a trip to find the bishop's l...I just returned from a trip to find the bishop's letter. "...to include same sex couples is to strip marriage of an essential component, namely the ability and obligation to procreate.""To strip marriage of this essential component is to render marriage meaningless...." Will we have fertility tests before marriage now? And mandatory divorce at menopause? <BR/>As I grieve the pending excommunication of Fr Roy Bourgeois, I wonder--Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-22224693216693351642008-11-18T13:27:00.000-07:002008-11-18T13:27:00.000-07:00I don't understand how Anonymous has the time to w...I don't understand how Anonymous has the time to write so many responses to so many posts on so many blogs. He/she is busy enough on the NCR blogs alone, that I had never expected him/her to find time to lurk on other blogs.<BR/><BR/>With that out of the way, great post, Colleen! It intersects very well with what I've been thinking about Cardinal Stafford's comments, too, and posted on my blog at the same time you were posting.<BR/><BR/>Like you, I've wept those bitter tears of Gethsemani for some time now, and am finally able to dry my eyes a bit with the election of a man who has promise to move us in a good direction for a change.William D. Lindseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246026074693891965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-34328721429531136722008-11-18T12:20:00.000-07:002008-11-18T12:20:00.000-07:00The deleted comment was a duplicate post.Carl and ...The deleted comment was a duplicate post.<BR/><BR/>Carl and Butterfly, don't get too upset. I've sat in enough Catholic churches and watched as attendance dropped and dropped and dropped. It hurts whether you think the Church is bringing this exodus on itself, or whether you think the laity is lazy and at fault. The fact is, a patrimony we all cherish is accelerating in it's death throws.<BR/><BR/>I don't think anyone wants to think of themselves as part of the problem, we'd much rather think we had part of the solution. Annonymous has his/her ideas and I have mine. I'd like to think the source of the concern is the same.<BR/>It's love for our experiences of the Church and the individuals who were part of that experience.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-16123221939954808322008-11-18T12:05:00.001-07:002008-11-18T12:05:00.001-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-91389774696136595142008-11-18T12:05:00.000-07:002008-11-18T12:05:00.000-07:00First off, I didn't volunteer to join this club, I...First off, I didn't volunteer to join this club, I was baptised into it. I actually envy converts who got to choose as adults whether they wanted into the club.<BR/><BR/>Secondly, I don't view Catholicism as a club, but I do view the hierarchy that way, and they do seem to have spent two millenia making up the rules as they went along.<BR/><BR/>When Truth means the Nicene creed then I'm still a Catholic, but when it includes exclusively male derived doctrine and canonical laws, then I have my differences. So do bishops and cardinals, which is why some South American prelates have asked for relaxation of some of the canons surrounding the priesthood--like most of them.<BR/><BR/>Catholicism is a church in process whether you choose to believe that or not. Change is coming if only because the entire sacramental delivery system is in jeopardy. At it's core, that is the mission of the Church, to deliver sacraments, the outward and Grace filled signs of the salvation offered by Jesus. <BR/><BR/>All the crozier waving and demonizing of Obama will not change the simple fact the Church is failing in it's mission to deliver the sacraments and I'm not going to let the smoke of distracting issues cloud that fact.<BR/><BR/>If it makes you feel better, I don't recieve communion and am therefor not violating your sense of truth. I do play in the 'club' by it's rules. It's called integrity, it doesn't mean I have to like it. Nor does it mean I have to be silent.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-49971723273678199772008-11-18T11:48:00.000-07:002008-11-18T11:48:00.000-07:00And did the Pharisees believe that Jesus Christ wa...And did the Pharisees believe that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, anonymous? They taught too "with authority," but they did not recognize Jesus Christ and His teachings as the Truth and they crucified Him.<BR/><BR/>Why do you bother calling yourself a Christian, let alone a Catholic, when what you have embraced is not the Truth, but hatred and disdain for the Truth?<BR/><BR/>Obviously, certain 'catholics' of the right wing fundamentalist variety believe that the Church is a club, an exclusive one, for Pharisees.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-79309885738798356632008-11-18T11:05:00.000-07:002008-11-18T11:05:00.000-07:00Isnt it interesting how hateful those who claim to...Isnt it interesting how hateful those who claim to be faithful orthodox are becoming. Each time one of them makes a comment such as this one from anonymous, it brings the term "faithful orthodox" into increasing synonymy with "hate monger". <BR/><BR/>The following verse is the prophesy that they have to look forward to: (according to thomas)<BR/><BR/>Rev 21:8 But as for the cowardly ... and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death."COL55https://www.blogger.com/profile/07057765287988790129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-40975103327615455282008-11-18T10:42:00.000-07:002008-11-18T10:42:00.000-07:00Why do you bother calling yourself a Catholic? It'...Why do you bother calling yourself a Catholic? It's not a club you join and then make up the rules as you go along ... The Truth is the Truth and the Catholic Church can't do any other than teach it.<BR/><BR/>If you want to make up your own "truth" feel free and have fun. Go "enlighten" yourself. But don't pretend you're a Catholic if you aren't willing to embrace the Truth as it is taught by the Catholic Church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com