tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post2667433307448392805..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Bless Me C3PO For I Have Sinnedcolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-6592527183261957802011-02-19T08:55:20.893-07:002011-02-19T08:55:20.893-07:00Felapton perhaps the Prince was making some sort o...Felapton perhaps the Prince was making some sort of statement about the relationship between himself and his mother--in a Freudian sort of way.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-19017421359657970692011-02-18T16:05:14.487-07:002011-02-18T16:05:14.487-07:00@T'Pel, yes, public figures should be extremel...@T'Pel, yes, public figures should be extremely careful. I remember once the Prince of Wales was overheard speaking to the now-Duchess of Cornwall (back when he was married to Princess Diana) and saying "I wish I were a Tampon so I could live in your pants."<br /><br />I kind of felt sorry for the Queen. You buy your son the most expensive education in the world, years of art, poetry and philosophy classes, and then one day he wants to say something romantic to his mistress and what does he come up with? "I wish I were a Tampon." Wow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-66223032101739320702011-02-17T14:38:11.662-07:002011-02-17T14:38:11.662-07:00@ Felapton: I'm not sure I agree. There are a ...@ Felapton: I'm not sure I agree. There are a number of people out in this world whom I would not want to have that kind of leverage over me - just for the possibility of blackmail. A spiteful ex-spouse in a child custody battle for example. In general, no, not worth hacking. But let's hypothesize a politician who is a Catholic. That person would be a lucrative target of such an attempted hacking. This sort of hack job could be made to pay big money in the right market. The thing is, computer hacking is generally not tailored to a specific target. It operates on the wide net principle. The reason you still see all those spam messages from the banker in Nigeria is because they send millions of them out. And some one or 3 people will be foolish enough to buy into the scheme and turn it into a moneymaker for the spammer.<br /><br />There is just no way I would suggest this sort of interactive app. No firewall and no antivirus software is good enough to justify the risk.<br /><br />Colleen, your message reminds me of the confession I made just before my Confirmation. I was in a Catholic school that year. Normally, they just brought in the parish priest and had us in maybe 3 lines. But for this one, the school had both the parish priests and also some Franciscan priests. so they had 6 or 8 lines that the students were lined up in. And I suppose they expected that with the additional priests the time to get all the students through Confession would be cut way down. I was put into a line for one of the Franciscan priests. And these priests took their job as confessors a lot more seriously. The lines did not move. By the time I was through and back in my classroom the Sister was really angry with me for taking so long. Then some 20-30 minutes later the student who had been behind me in line came in. Still since I was the student and the teacher was a Sister, I was in the wrong... somehow :)<br />VeronicaT'Pelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14497973041430354008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-71489134801131806992011-02-17T01:07:50.781-07:002011-02-17T01:07:50.781-07:00In those situations a laundry list is fine, but th...In those situations a laundry list is fine, but then so would a communal penance service. Speaking of which, I think the App would work fine for a communal penance service.<br /><br />One of the best innovations of Vat II was the idea of a more in depth confession, unfortunately that was a little too intense for most people who merely wanted to recite a list. Or as my dad said "if I want therapy I'll go to a shrink." He never did get the difference between forgiveness of sins and conversion which transforms the behavior pattern.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-67742571917644707702011-02-16T02:56:43.369-07:002011-02-16T02:56:43.369-07:00@T'Pel, good point. Best to tell the app "...@T'Pel, good point. Best to tell the app "no" when it asks whether to save your sin-log for you. But unless your sin life is a lot more fun than mine, it's probably not worth hacking. <br /><br />@Col, well, not everybody is a theologian. My parish hears confessions twenty minutes before mass. The confessor is the celebrant and he has to get vested. So it's not a good time for life-changing insights or spiritual progress; laundry list is OK, I think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-70102994472633887402011-02-15T06:15:14.216-07:002011-02-15T06:15:14.216-07:00Felapton the big deal to me is that spiritual prog...Felapton the big deal to me is that spiritual progress is about lessons learned and conversions made, not a laundry list of sins confessed. I've heard a lot of clients confess to behavior they don't actually change until the behavior becomes so dysfunctional there is no choice. That is not usually a state of conversion as much as it is a consequence of enslavement.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-49539664054949331482011-02-14T12:33:21.836-07:002011-02-14T12:33:21.836-07:00I don't have a problem with this app anymore t...I don't have a problem with this app anymore than I would have a problem with using a prayerbook in Confession, or Mass or where ever. What I do have a problem with is the history of sins being kept in computer memory. I sure don't want to be treating my smartphone as some sort of electronic talisman that I don't dare let out of my direct line of sight. Because if some other person gets hold of it they gain the ability to delve into my deepest fears and conscience. Not to mention the possibility of my device being hacked. I wonder just how honest those people are going to be with the Confession app if they realize just how likely it is that while the priest may observe the seal of the confessional the smartphone has no such restriction.<br /><br />But then I've never been one to keep a diary or journal in a written format either. To me it always seemed more than a bit silly.<br />VeronicaT'Pelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14497973041430354008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-5273140600231787962011-02-14T03:16:27.888-07:002011-02-14T03:16:27.888-07:00Yeah, I'm with Anonymous. I don't understa...Yeah, I'm with Anonymous. I don't understand what all the giggling is about. Most churches have a shelf by the confessional with little paper confession handouts; they have a checklist examination of conscience and the penitent's lines for the ritual, including the Act of Contrition. <br /><br />So, instead of picking up one of the little paper things, now you download it onto your iPod. It saves paper. What's the big deal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-60097935409881717912011-02-13T16:54:49.578-07:002011-02-13T16:54:49.578-07:00So call me an iconoclast, a heretic, whatever.
I ...So call me an iconoclast, a heretic, whatever.<br /><br />I like the idea of apps in general. What's wrong with the concept of a guide to the examination of conscience? At one time it might appear on mimeographed paper. (Showing my age.) Masturbation? There was more maturity shown in the question to the 15 year old girl by referencing respect for the body. <br /><br />Years ago I had a personal trainer who coached me by email. It was very effective. There's some evidence to show patients will reveal more about their health circumstances by completing computer questionnaires than by speaking to the doctor. <br /><br />If it is viewed as a tool then use it. Of course, it could be a deeply flawed tool. I won't know until I've tried it.<br /><br />On the other hand I agree that no checklist, administered by an app or otherwise, is a substitute for a serious, thoughtful examination of conscience. <br /><br />p2pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-37308638938222008992011-02-13T15:29:45.962-07:002011-02-13T15:29:45.962-07:00What's rather interesting is that the Boston G...What's rather interesting is that the Boston Globe did an article about a year or two ago about many Catholics no longer participating in auricular confession. Many of the people they interviewed tended to go to communal penance services or therapy, or both. I might be tempted to return to auricular confession if the Church can be persuaded to dump the clericalism.khughes1963https://www.blogger.com/profile/16118365554189078448noreply@blogger.com