tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post3059850883260446866..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Benedict Advocates Repentance And Conversion--Not Structural Changecolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-75081527220556360342010-09-11T16:53:15.643-06:002010-09-11T16:53:15.643-06:00kevin,
As far as trolls on religious blogs go, I ...kevin,<br /><br />As far as trolls on religious blogs go, I suspect it makes them feel better about themselves; they probably think they are witnessing to their faith, and maybe earning some brownie points with God. Who knows?PrickliestPearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07606660660913560540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-89919033109736286302010-09-11T12:47:52.769-06:002010-09-11T12:47:52.769-06:00PP-
You're right. One wonders why Trolls do t...PP-<br />You're right. One wonders why Trolls do troll. What is their objective?kevin57https://www.blogger.com/profile/01681985465980196347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-76700529385136937622010-09-11T10:43:13.544-06:002010-09-11T10:43:13.544-06:00kevin,
There is no point in asking someone for ev...kevin,<br /><br />There is no point in asking someone for evidence to support their views when they have already demonstrated that they don't have any and are willing to just make stuff up.<br /><br />Trolls are best left ignored.PrickliestPearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07606660660913560540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-55399601676001294112010-09-11T09:34:00.607-06:002010-09-11T09:34:00.607-06:00Mouse,
Would you please provide a specific citati...Mouse,<br /><br />Would you please provide a specific citation from the Ryan Report that supports your assertion?kevin57https://www.blogger.com/profile/01681985465980196347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-13099130985221477202010-09-10T20:50:39.230-06:002010-09-10T20:50:39.230-06:00As to the Bishops...those who enabled the abusers ...As to the Bishops...those who enabled the abusers are spiritually dyfunctional. They knowing enabled them, at least tacitly (if not literally) approving of the abuse. <br /><br />Their actions in these regards speak louder then any words could. <br /><br />As individuals, they either have no Faith - or lost it. The latter would indicate a lack of true Prayer. <br /><br />If they believed in God, they would not do what they have done. A man of Faith will not go along for the sake of getting along. He will not tolerate Evil. <br /><br />Risk of censure? Loss of promotion? Being defrocked? Those are all possible for a priest or bishop who speaks up about the culture of sex abuse. <br /><br />If he has Faith, he will place His trust in God & in His Will for him. And know that he may be asked to endure suffering for God...and for His innocent ones. But God always provides for those who trust in Him. And will never abandon. <br /><br />Ergo....most priests & bishops, by their overt complicity or the complicity of silence....have no Faith. <br /><br />Anon Y.MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-51577578887974562862010-09-10T20:40:24.778-06:002010-09-10T20:40:24.778-06:00There is no such contradiction.
The abusers are ...There is no such contradiction. <br /><br />The abusers are spiritually dysfunctional. More then a few under some degree of demonic influence. A reading of the Ryan Report from Ireland would make both concepts painfully obvious, and show the intrinsic coherence between the two. N.B. the Ryan Report is the work of an independent commission....NOT of the Irish Church! Hence what it illustrates is far closer to reality then something like the John Jay Report. <br /><br />Hint: persons of both genders & sexual orientations can be subject to spiritual deception/dysfunction, and demonic influence. Satan does not descriminate. <br /><br />Of priest & lay brother abusers, it would 'seem' that most of their victims were male. Now that is not intended to be a factual statement; it is from observation. As we simply DO NOT KNOW all of the cases of abuse, there can be no 100% conclusive statements. Except based on the publicly known and (Church) admitted cases. <br /><br />This is as MOST abuse cases were either never reported at all (out of fear of the Church's power), or 'paid for silence"....or the victims were frightened into silence. By threats of legal action, excommunication, etc. <br /><br />The John Jay report cannot be taken as in any way 'accurate'. First, as it was paid for by those who enabled the abuse. Second as it is based upon incomplete & flawed data. Any 'determination' or conclusion reached via this study is very inadequate at best. <br /><br />There exists - and has existed for centuries - a gay subculture within the clergy. No point in denying this, or of debating its exact size.<br /><br />The problem is not that 'X" percentage are gay. The problem is immorality(of gay OR str8 clerics), resulting from spiritual dysfunction. Those who do not (or never did) take Celibacy seriously. Who feel somehow entitled to dominate or treat as chattel...laity. Add these factors & we have a ripe set up for abuse....of ALL kinds. Including the use of the young & innocent as sex toys.<br /><br />Anon Y.MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-42283917631483810392010-09-10T18:14:39.610-06:002010-09-10T18:14:39.610-06:00Mouse,
I don't get your comment. Your last p...Mouse,<br /><br />I don't get your comment. Your last paragraph seems to completely contradict your earlier posts. I concur that there is a spiritual/psychological dysfunction involved; however, I would add that an elitist, hierarchical, unaccountable clerical culture was the principal culprit, a fact that NCR reports more and more bishops are beginning to whisper among themselves.<br /><br />Yet, Mouse, your other paragraphs continue the canard that this is the result of gay clergy. If you dismiss the John Jay Study for its deficiencies, on what authority do you make your claims?kevin57https://www.blogger.com/profile/01681985465980196347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-22206188958365604602010-09-10T01:33:55.803-06:002010-09-10T01:33:55.803-06:00The John Jay study is highly inaccurate for a numb...The John Jay study is highly inaccurate for a number of reasons. Not the least of which is that it was paid for by the guilty parties:)<br /><br />It is based on flawed & incomplete sample data. It is also nearly 10 years old, and many more (much more dire) cases have come to light. The primary sample data flaws are:<br /><br />1) it only reflects those cases which the Church considers credible<br /><br />2) it only considers those cases which have not been swept under the rug in some manner. <br /><br />So anything the John Jay Report says must be taken with a grain of salt. <br /><br />The truth is that the vast majority of cases were never reported to ANYONE. Most victims suffered in silence. Many of those who tried to speak up were humiliated by the clergy & by law enforcement in cahoots with the bishops. <br /><br />To do such a study based on such incomplete data & then assert that 'this is what the figures show'...or...'these are the facts'....makes public opinion surveys credible by contrast! <br /><br />Now as to the contention that the abusers were not gay. That is simply not true either. Many abusers were gay. Precise numbers of percentages....I have no clue. Only God really knows. <br /><br />The abusers were gay, straight & bi. In more then a few cases, serial abusers (with many victims) abused members of both sexes. Regardless of their personal sexual orientation. As the would have been under some degree of demonic influence, pansexuality might well accurately describe some of them. <br /><br />Clerical sex abuse has nothing intrinsically to do with sexual orientation. It has everything to do with gross spiritual dysfunction. One who is normal & balanced (gay, str8 or bi) would not sexually abuse (or rape) impresionable youngsters. Especially given the moral & spiritual trust placed in clerics by virtue of their position. Manipulating their dominant status over the kid. <br /><br />Anon Y. MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-71636360481361435632010-09-09T19:34:12.631-06:002010-09-09T19:34:12.631-06:00The fact is that the John Jay Study, commissioned ...The fact is that the John Jay Study, commissioned by the USCCB, and a well-respected, "objective" organization, declared that the clerical abuse crisis was NOT attributable to homosexual priests. Go argue with the experts, if you disagree...and show your hubris while you're at it.kevin57https://www.blogger.com/profile/01681985465980196347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-50327686290491434842010-09-09T14:49:46.191-06:002010-09-09T14:49:46.191-06:00The reality of Catholic Clerical Sex Abuse is that...The reality of Catholic Clerical Sex Abuse is that it is demonic in its basis. The abusers & their episcopal enables serves Satan, not God. <br /><br />Now this does not literally mean that they are gathering in cemetaries wearing black robes at midnight...<br /><br />One may be a willing or unwitting servant of Evil. And there are degrees of each. The point being that such men do not serve God. That they have no Faith. In some if not many cases have allowed themselves to be deceived into thinking that they have Faith.<br /><br />But, one way or the other, they are under demonic influence. <br /><br />Straight men rape other men in prison settings. That is about power rather then sex or sexual orientation itself. The clerical abusers are gay, str8 & bi. Many have abused kids of both sexes.<br /><br />A clerical culture is founded in Dominance/Submission, such abuse is all about power, more so then sex itself. If the abusers just wanted sex, then they could find a prostitute or a willing hook-up. But that is not what they are doing. <br /><br />Power is a drug. Like any drug it is addictive. All too many priests crave power rather the God (sadly). So they will seek to fill this seeming void. Also, many of the abusers were abused themselves; thus are acting out their abuse. <br /><br />As to any notion of genuine repentance, conversion (much less correct structural change), it will not happen. Not until Christ steps in to do the job directly.<br /><br />Anon Y. MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-87987367227138428752010-09-08T22:50:15.925-06:002010-09-08T22:50:15.925-06:00Nothing about your physical appearence has to be m...Nothing about your physical appearence has to be modified (blue hair). You are a beautiful creation of God as is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-62975570156038703352010-09-08T22:46:43.891-06:002010-09-08T22:46:43.891-06:00Kallisti,
no, I never said I didn't like you....Kallisti,<br /><br />no, I never said I didn't like you. I'll bet you're a very nice person. I'm just trying to relay authentic catholic teaching. I still have a lot to learn though..<br /><br />JasperAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-89241116730588679632010-09-08T22:41:31.943-06:002010-09-08T22:41:31.943-06:00Jasper says, "grumble grumble, you're dif...Jasper says, "grumble grumble, you're different, so I don't like you." It's my personality, It's who I am, I'm being myself. <br /><br />Have problems with that feeling much Jasper?<br /><br />KallistiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-2575608062937532712010-09-08T22:38:31.939-06:002010-09-08T22:38:31.939-06:00"You doubt I'm a caring person?! "
..."You doubt I'm a caring person?! "<br /><br />No, I said I don't doubt...<br /><br />as for the blue hair, read this:<br /><br />http://www.latinmassmagazine.com/articles/articles_2002_SU_Joseph.html<br /><br /><br />"Immaturity and imprudence. An action acceptable or indifferent in itself can become wrong if the intention or motive is wrong. Some young people adopt outrageous fashions out of an immature desire to rebel against society or against their parents. Such disobedience against parents is sinful. Some do it out of an immature desire to conform to their friends, and others out of an equally immature desire to stick out from everyone around them. Some do it out of boredom, because it is something different, because it gives them a thrill, because it is something for their friends to admire and comment on. Mindless following of fads is always the mark of immaturity. "<br /><br />JasperAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-58436927835015837682010-09-08T22:17:31.360-06:002010-09-08T22:17:31.360-06:00You doubt I'm a caring person?!
Get real. Al...You doubt I'm a caring person?! <br />Get real. Also why should I have to listen to the fossils in the tone deaf hierarchy when they are clearly, empirically wrong about..well everything actually.<br /><br />I'm going to stick with my own perfectly good God/dess given mind and conscience Kthnksbai.<br /><br />KallistiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-88266103935284636332010-09-08T22:12:17.188-06:002010-09-08T22:12:17.188-06:00Kallisti,
As a Catholic, you should read about wh...Kallisti,<br /><br />As a Catholic, you should read about what the Cathecism says about Sexuality, Mariage, etc. It's the plain Truth.<br /><br />http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm<br /><br />I have violated these rules myself because I had sex before I was married. Not proud of it, just saying...<br /><br />I don't doubt your a caring person, but there are certain rights and wrongs we should live by as Catholics..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-91878154202569219902010-09-08T22:04:08.075-06:002010-09-08T22:04:08.075-06:00Liberal. Catholic.
With Electric Blue hair.
Ka...Liberal. Catholic. <br /><br />With Electric Blue hair.<br /><br />KallistiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-47995871768021311742010-09-08T22:01:38.871-06:002010-09-08T22:01:38.871-06:00Kallisti,
Can I ask what you are? Christian, Agn...Kallisti,<br /><br />Can I ask what you are? Christian, Agnostic, Atheist, etc<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />JasperAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-21149947767265545192010-09-08T21:58:20.217-06:002010-09-08T21:58:20.217-06:00Jasper, the only place you are correct is in your ...Jasper, the only place you are correct is in your own mind.<br /><br />KallistiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-62663452864141162582010-09-08T21:55:57.780-06:002010-09-08T21:55:57.780-06:00Colcoch,
As for your link to Sf gate; straight me...Colcoch,<br /><br />As for your link to Sf gate; straight men do not have sex with other men. If men have an attraction to other men or boys they are either homosexual or bi-sexual. That's just the way it is, there's no getting around it...<br /><br />I realize what I'm saying is not politically correct, but it is the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-79921689444096875942010-09-08T21:51:54.193-06:002010-09-08T21:51:54.193-06:00Jasper- Your bizarre fetishistic tendencies are sh...Jasper- Your bizarre fetishistic tendencies are showing, strike two, The Is-Ought Fallacy. <br /><br />The brain damaged xian right claims our organs have only one purpose, actually our organs have multiple purposes. Imagine if I told you that using your mouth for any other purpose than eating and drinking is morally wrong. No singing, no talking, no kissing, no flute playing because all these things would be morally wrong, but this is insanity, using the mouth for all these other things would be a morally neutral usage of the mouth.<br /><br />Again, do I really have to say it? Trying to equate gay men with pedos is a dishonest, destroyed argument. There's a difference between Liberace and Micheal Jackson, did you spot it yet? <br /><br />KallistiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-78630525008690046372010-09-08T21:44:32.200-06:002010-09-08T21:44:32.200-06:00"Jasper- Just because something is "diff..."Jasper- Just because something is "different" that does not make it bad, it makes it different, no more no less."<br /><br />Well Kallisti, I guess we don't share the same values. As Catholics, we believe that sodomy is a sin and against the natural law:<br /><br />"There are absolutely no grounds for the considering homosexual unions to be in any way similar or even remotely analogous to God's plan for marriage and family. Marriage is holy, while homosexual acts go against natural law"<br /><br />Kallisti and Colkoch,<br /><br />"Catholic priests during the past 52 years involved homosexual men preying on boys. Only 5.8% of victims were under age 7; 16% percent were between ages 8-10; and over 78% were between the ages of 11-17. 44% of the accused priests were accused by more than one person, and contrary to the suggestions implied by the media, the victims have not been preadolescent children; they were generally teenage boys."<br /><br />http://www.christiantelegraph.com/issue9504.html<br /><br /><br />JasperAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-625336807872547482010-09-08T21:17:31.105-06:002010-09-08T21:17:31.105-06:00"Jasper, straight men do have sex with other ..."Jasper, straight men do have sex with other men. Have for millenia."<br /><br />Really? I've never heard of it.<br /><br />"Oh and previous to Obama a large percentage of Catholics voted to put Bush back in office after he started the War in Iraq. A war which JPII emphatically stated was not justified. Murder infants by bomb is still infanticide."<br /><br />These are 2 different things. Abortion is the deliberate murder of innocent unborn humans. Our service men did not deliberatly murder infants or traget civilians, their target was the Iraqi Army installations and Sadaam and his thugs, who btw were responsible for genocide: <br /><br />Note: You won't hear about this in the MSM.<br /><br />"The worst human rights abuses of Hussein's tenure took place during the genocidal al-Anfal Campaign (1986-1989), in which Hussein's administration called for the extermination of every living thing--human or animal--in certain regions of the Kurdish north. All told, some 182,000 people--men, women, and children--were slaughtered, many through use of chemical weapons." <br /><br />http://civilliberty.about.com/od/internationalhumanrights/p/saddam_hussein.htm<br /><br />JasperAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-85242935146335240662010-09-08T21:14:46.405-06:002010-09-08T21:14:46.405-06:00http://blog.beliefnet.com/deaconsbench/2009/11/rep...http://blog.beliefnet.com/deaconsbench/2009/11/report-no-link-between-gay-preists-and-abuse.html<br /><br />*Correction<br /><br />KallistiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-49324429883808101192010-09-08T21:06:33.759-06:002010-09-08T21:06:33.759-06:00Some of the priests apologized, as for the bishops...Some of the priests apologized, as for the bishops, they couldn't do much if the accused priest denied the abuse. If the priest admitted to the abuse I'm sure his apology or lack there of was largely determined by whether or not there was a law suit pending against the diocese.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.com