tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post3198803636119447406..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Anglicans Say Yes To Women Bishops, Vatican Says NO To Anglicanscolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-60525803643407219772008-07-10T09:47:00.000-06:002008-07-10T09:47:00.000-06:00I think this is great news from the Anglican Churc...I think this is great news from the Anglican Church to say yes to Women Bishops & is a step in the right direction. It will be interesting to hear what Cardinal Walter Kasper will present at the next Lambeth Conference at the end of July. I can just imagine the spin of strategic planning and careful wording in the presentation to cajole new recruits that will be developed from the Vatican in the next few weeks.<BR/><BR/>There will be defections from the Anglican Church and conversion, if one can actually call it that, to the Catholic faith, but if the Catholic Church is looking for large numbers they will have to make some serious concessions which I don't believe they will want to make. The thought occurred to me that the hierarchy of the CC could say they were going to make concessions and then dump them in a while after the defections. (so much for my trust in the CC current leadership's ability for self-control and integrity).<BR/><BR/>The thought also occurred that Catholics could defect to the Anglican Church and so there might not be any significant additional priests for the Catholic Church which it so desperately needs. Colleen, your observation about celibate priests in the Catholic Church might get very interesting as this situation unfolds. <BR/><BR/>The response from the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity upon learning of the Church of England's decision "with regret" and recognizing it is a breach in tradition since the 1st millennium and obstacle for reconciliation in my view states how shallow and inept the true desire for reconciliation the Catholic Church actually demonstrates with any significant amount of charity towards their neighbors. "You shall know them by their fruits" comes to mind. It seems they are walking around the vineyard looking for easy pick-ins to pluck to include in their harvest of men priests regardless of the obvious double standards of plucking married clergy.<BR/><BR/>There is definitely division going on in every Church these days, along the same political and cultural lines and somehow in all of this is the way that points to the action of the Holy Spirit.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-56148977121494886302008-07-09T15:36:00.000-06:002008-07-09T15:36:00.000-06:00I agree with you John. What dialogue? All Rome s...I agree with you John. What dialogue? All Rome seems to be at this point is a threat from disgruntled Anglicans.<BR/><BR/>I understood that reordination is more or less a formality. I agree that the whole thing is disengenous. Anglicans can trace their magic right back along the same family tree. How can one be valid and the other not? More magic?colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-81380590242175747302008-07-09T15:33:00.000-06:002008-07-09T15:33:00.000-06:00Bill, such a step would take more cajones than Ben...Bill, such a step would take more cajones than Benedict seems to have. It's not like National Conferences seem to have any disciplinary power. If that were the case, the norms from 2002 would apply to abusing bishops, but they don't.<BR/><BR/>Theoretically a bishop could get a way with murder and fight extradition from the cushy confines of the Vatican City States. We already have that situation with about two dozen pedophile priests. Must be nice.<BR/><BR/>Nothing happens until the laity take a hike, either with money or feet. Until we do Benedict doesn't need any cajones. He just has to talk like he does.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-44576555795074295712008-07-09T14:44:00.000-06:002008-07-09T14:44:00.000-06:00Colleen, I appreciate in particular that link to t...Colleen, I appreciate in particular that link to the articles about the situation of the church in Australia.<BR/><BR/>In light of what we're learning now about Cardinals Pell and Hickey and how they have handled abuse cases, I'm starting to rethink my previous more optimistic judgment of Benedict's apology (in the U.S.) to abuse victims.<BR/><BR/>This begins to seem more and more like empty rhetoric to me. I appreciate the symbolic value: the pope had not yet apologized.<BR/><BR/>And yet, if apologies like this (and he's expected perhaps to follow suit and apologize in Australia) don't result in action, they're just words. We need a church-wide truth commission to investigate what has happened, to let every victim have a voice, and to do SOMETHING to change things such that this kind of abusive behavior stops.William D. Lindseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246026074693891965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-89907797106393542972008-07-09T11:55:00.000-06:002008-07-09T11:55:00.000-06:00RE: The Pontifical Council for Christian Unity ......RE: <I>The Pontifical Council for Christian Unity ... warned that it would have "consequences for future dialogue, which until now has been very fruitful".</I><BR/><BR/>What "dialogue"? Since John Paul II, Rome's approach to interfaith talks has been more of a <I>monologue</I>-- all take, no give, my-way-or-the-highway. Rome is the Only True Church, you know, so we don't have to change anything.<BR/><BR/>RE: <I>"This decision is a breach with the apostolic tradition maintained by all Churches from the first millennium, and for that reason it is a further obstacle for reconciliation between the Catholic Church and the Church of England."</I><BR/><BR/>In 1896, Pope Leo XIII declared all Anglican priestly orders "invalid" (ie: lacking valid Apostolic Succession), a position affirmed by subsequent popes. Indeed, Anglican priests who convert to Rome are required to be re-ordained by Rome (not true of Orthodox priests who convert).<BR/><BR/>For Rome to now appeal to the "apostolic tradition" with regard to Anglicans seems disingenuous.<BR/><BR/>My suggestion to Anglicans :<BR/>ignore Rome !<BR/>Most Catholics do !<BR/><BR/>-- John KjmKelleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10552857462873824802noreply@blogger.com