tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post3260226123253024506..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Putting The Third Leg Of The Trinity In A Dualistic Catholicismcolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-47139200463318041422012-03-06T05:54:28.088-07:002012-03-06T05:54:28.088-07:00"The problem is that one groups security blan..."The problem is that one groups security blanket is the other groups straight jacket."<br />So true :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-92187712473991311702009-01-06T06:40:00.000-07:002009-01-06T06:40:00.000-07:00According to St John:Jesus as the Son of God:34 Je...According to St John:<BR/><BR/>Jesus as the Son of God:<BR/><BR/>34 Jesus answered, ‘Is it not written in your law, “I said, you are gods”?<BR/>35 If those to whom the word of God came were called “gods”—and the scripture cannot be annulled—<BR/>36 can you say that the one whom the Father has sanctified and sent into the world is blaspheming because I said, “I am God’s Son”?<BR/>37 If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me.<BR/>38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand* that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.’<BR/><BR/>See:<BR/>http://ofaman.blogspot.com/2009/01/christian-manifesto.htmlThoughtshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17866896441731516034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-28137596499138233282009-01-05T06:53:00.000-07:002009-01-05T06:53:00.000-07:00I think you have good points about Thomas Merton B...I think you have good points about Thomas Merton Butterfly. VII helped him, especially in his interactions with the Orient.<BR/><BR/>Although, there are conspiracy theorists who say Merton was murdered, and debunkers who say he committed suicide. I think he was a cloistered monk who wasn't used to radios around the bathtub.<BR/><BR/>Carl, your take on Mass being left behind when one reaches a certain point is spot on.<BR/><BR/>I know what the straw was in my case. I was teaching high school CCD and the week we were supposed to dedicate to sexuality was turned into a cake a candy holiday and no teaching was done. I walked out after that 'party' and never returned.<BR/><BR/>At that time Bishop Morlino ran the diocese and he apparently didn't think any of us were qualified to teach sexuality correctly so he brought in material and presenters from some outfit like Focus on the Family.<BR/><BR/>That may have been the final straw, but there was much more that went on before then and too much since then.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-58291540949835314362009-01-04T17:07:00.000-07:002009-01-04T17:07:00.000-07:00Carl you ask: "It makes me wonder, how did some of...Carl you ask: "It makes me wonder, how did some of the catholic mystics such as thomas merton survive within the church? " I've wondered that myself, but I do recall him having difficulty getting his writings approved. He managed to get things published without the approval though. Merton was part of the Church Triumphant that Colleen has been writing about. I've been thinking about this a lot lately and recall the early Church in Jerusalem when the Jews who had converted to Christ teachings still went to the synagogues, until they were thrown out. I feel a little like those early Christians in my own Church when I do go, which admittedly has been less and less due to the politics which has left a deep scar in my soul. Recent incidents such as excommunicating Fr Roy and Sister Lears has had its impact on me and I am in solidarity with them. <BR/><BR/>Also, about Merton is the fact that he lived when the Church was going through a period of great change by way of VII which really paved the way for him to succeed. Most recently, however, he is not being given the honor or credit he deserves by right wing reactionaries against VII.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-12597985446035821732009-01-04T16:38:00.000-07:002009-01-04T16:38:00.000-07:00Actually, dense and uninviting is being nice, I wo...Actually, dense and uninviting is being nice, I would call the energy of the church right now repulsive.<BR/><BR/>Interesting isnt it how once one starts the path of mysticism, the euchrist accelerates the process to a point, and then in order to continue to grow, one has to leave that behind as well.<BR/><BR/>It makes me wonder, how did some of the catholic mystics such as thomas merton survive within the church? It seems like today, anyone, clergy or laity who steps into true mysticism is ostracized from and by the church if they are lucky. The unlucky ones are villified and censured.<BR/><BR/>I've reached a point where I dont think I can go back. As much as I loved mass, it has become a meaningless ritual to me now. Empty, hollow, a shadow instead of the light that it really could be.COL55https://www.blogger.com/profile/07057765287988790129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-44535744513630084062009-01-04T08:30:00.000-07:002009-01-04T08:30:00.000-07:00"Had they cherished their people who had connectio..."Had they cherished their people who had connections with the 'other side' instead of persecuting them, they would have been way ahead of the curve."<BR/><BR/>It seems the "Church" has always been focused on maintaining the power. It sees itself as the only purveyor of God's wisdom and the only entity capable of explaining it to the lowly laity. But, in reality, they are locked in a battle with God. I think the Church is the one who keeps God in a box on a shelf and only takes God out when it's useful to their own ends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-63202649069466844962009-01-04T06:56:00.000-07:002009-01-04T06:56:00.000-07:00Thanks butterfly. I think this is important as we...Thanks butterfly. I think this is important as well. The Church is falling way behind in examining the issues of expanding consciousness and what it means for humanity.<BR/><BR/>Had they cherished their people who had connections with the 'other side' instead of persecuting them, they would have been way ahead of the curve.<BR/><BR/>A lot of progressives are heading down the mystical path and they are not finding much help with in the Catholic Church. This is too bad because reception of the Eucharist really does escalate the progress of one's talent.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, that very progress eventually makes one very sensitive to the over all energy of the Church, and right now, it's dense and uninviting, and way off course. <BR/><BR/>The ironic thing is that's as true for mystical conservatives as it is mystical progressives. The problem is that one groups security blanket is the other groups straight jacket. HMMM that might be the title for today's article.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-80305585658920819772009-01-03T19:30:00.000-07:002009-01-03T19:30:00.000-07:00Colleen, I love the graphic! This should be in NCR...Colleen, I love the graphic! This should be in NCR also. This is fantastic and is so helpful. No wonder the Church is limping around and not getting very far.<BR/><BR/>"The Church teaching that Jesus is the groom and the Church is the bride does not describe the trinitarian nature of God or family." So true and that concept just never made any sense to me. One is left in the air trying to contemplate it. One essentially is placed on a ferris wheel and the ferris wheel is the bride? It makes no sense.<BR/><BR/>This next quote really caught my attention in its truth: "Worse, it's a form of heresy. It is based in a hierarchical understanding of the Trinity and not an egalitarian one. Rather than reinforcing the idea of the Trinity as uniquely equal expressions of the same personhood, the clerical nature of the Church symbolizes the supremacy of the Father over the Son and leaves the Holy Spirit floating out there, not really relevant to the clerical structure." <BR/>I would add here that it leaves the Holy Spirit floating out there for the laity as well. I do understand your point though. <BR/><BR/>The New Year is off to a spiritually inspired dashing start with this Colleen! Thank You!butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.com