tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post3284961111416688253..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: A Complicated Knot: Can Fr Francis Stay True To Himself When Acting As Pope Francis?colkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-41194906026712254362014-07-02T09:01:02.240-06:002014-07-02T09:01:02.240-06:00Church is a waste of time.Church is a waste of time.George Waitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-5475937463604884922014-04-15T07:23:59.438-06:002014-04-15T07:23:59.438-06:00It is very nice
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When those are truly threatened he has already given himself permission to leave. <br /><br />I give Pope Benedict many many kudos for opening that option up for this particular position, but then Benedict lived how corrupted the papacy got under JPII and so maybe took his lesson from that experience.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-55124652771152905542014-04-11T10:14:05.898-06:002014-04-11T10:14:05.898-06:00That is the task and it can get very complicated. ...That is the task and it can get very complicated. Knotty so to speak.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-32019730857479724822014-04-11T05:17:48.243-06:002014-04-11T05:17:48.243-06:00This is I think, surely, the timeless struggle of ...This is I think, surely, the timeless struggle of a Christian in the world. To open oneself to God in the difficult circumstances of the world. Keep loving, keep moving forward.Invictus_88http://fora.tv/myfora/9668/Invictus_88noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-17652589058368657132014-04-11T05:12:55.008-06:002014-04-11T05:12:55.008-06:00Great insights. 'm new to this blog and and s...Great insights. 'm new to this blog and and so excited to have found you. I found you by searching "catholic shaman" which I am finding I am. I have my own blog that pen along similar issues, but not limited to Catholicism. You might enjoy it. http://yourspiritualtruth.com. :) Thank you for being a fellow voice on another way of being Catholic. :)<br /><br />Lauri Lumby<br />Authentic Freedom Ministries<br />Pastor, Spiritual Director<br />Oshkosh, WILauri Ann Lumbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-63520962731899256842014-04-11T03:35:08.235-06:002014-04-11T03:35:08.235-06:00Good post!Good post!Invictus_88http://fora.tv/myfora/9668/Invictus_88noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-15645544486892204562014-04-10T23:58:00.153-06:002014-04-10T23:58:00.153-06:00Here is what Professor Karen King says about this ...Here is what Professor Karen King says about this ancient writing in the Harvard theological review as part of a question and answer session.<br /><br />3. What is the significance of the Gospel of Jesus’s Wife?<br /><br />If ancient, this tiny, damaged fragment provides tantalizing glimpses into issues about family, discipleship, and marriage that concerned ancient Christians. The main topic of the dialogue between Jesus and his disciples is one that deeply concerned early Christians, who were asked to put loyalty to Jesus before their natal families, as the New Testament gospels show. Christians were talking about themselves as a family, with God the Father, his son Jesus, and members as brothers and sisters. The particular focus in the Gospel of Jesus’s Wife, however, is on women: his mother, Mary, his wife, and a female disciple. The disciples discuss whether Mary is worthy, and Jesus states that “she can be my disciple.” These signs indicate some controversy over whether women who are sexually active (mothers and wives) can be disciples of Jesus. Other early Christian writings defend marriage and reproduction against fellow Christians who think virginity and celibacy are required for all, or who argue that “women are not worthy of life.”<br /><br />This gospel fragment provides a reason to reconsider what we thought we knew by asking what role claims about Jesus’ marital status played historically in early Christian controversies over marriage, celibacy, and family. The Gospel of Jesus’s Wife makes it possible to say that some early Christians believed that Jesus was married. This conclusion potentially has significant implications for the history of ancient Christian attitudes toward marriage, sexuality, and reproduction.rdp46noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-50967164081374663062014-04-10T18:47:54.468-06:002014-04-10T18:47:54.468-06:00Oh I definitely agree that he might take into mind...Oh I definitely agree that he might take into mind to resign if the BS and push back gets to be too much. He strikes me as the type not too brook tto much nonsense. This is not a role he aspired to from all accounts I have read, including statement one of his sisters, now dead, made after the previous conclave. I think that is why he did not his per the fact that he renewed his Argentine passport and citizenship papers. I think he would head back to Buenos Aires. This is a man who booked a round trio ticket to come to the conclave and that elected him, brought very minimal personal needs and already selected his living arrangements in a priest retirement home.Reyanna Ricenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-42218788337212385292014-04-10T16:36:42.464-06:002014-04-10T16:36:42.464-06:00Also, he can't combat clericalism on his own. ...Also, he can't combat clericalism on his own. We need to take some ownership in this fight. I think we need to, in every way we can, push hard on this from the bottom so to speak. He has and continues to hammer on this any chance he can as he tries to convert hearts in the rank and file clergy. He has begun to fire warning shots across the bow of bishops who are misbehaving. I think he may continue a bit doing this before he ratchets it up a bit. He has to move carefully and it is an exquisite balancing act for him. But if we can keep voicing in many ways that we think priests are not acting as true shepherds it will help. Certainly your activities in this blog are a part of it. It may be a tiresome task we face trying to achieve this but I do take heart in what Francis is showing us in the way he walks his talk. I found, for example, his action of publicly going to confession key. I am not big on confession, haven't been in years, don't plan to any time soon and am a bit bemused by his bringing it up often. I understand his fondness for it as it was within the context of confession that, at 17, he experience what he calls a profound call to become a priest. It is an interesting thought to wonder what the urgency of a 17 year old boy to go to confession was about, but never mind. Given all that though, I had to admire his "putting his money where his mouth was" when he walked over and knelt down to go to confession with the cameras continuing to roll in full view of the world. Of course he and the priest could in reality have been talking soccer scores with him instructing the priest to wave his hands in a reasonable facimile of granting absolution, but his expressions afterward sure looked the real deal. I favor extending positive responses in these current circumstances and try to look at the good in the events unfolding. To be cynical drains energy.....I am too old to be wasting energy in emphasizing the negative.Reyanna Ricenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-81492834284767405082014-04-10T16:34:20.858-06:002014-04-10T16:34:20.858-06:00I think any time a committed Christian winds up in...I think any time a committed Christian winds up in a leadership position it's a dilemma. For Francis it's the ultimate dilemma.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-21247465563086307732014-04-10T16:34:07.601-06:002014-04-10T16:34:07.601-06:00Uhmm, make it a whole lot harder to justify celiba...Uhmm, make it a whole lot harder to justify celibacy. However, the fragment doesn't exactly explain what the word 'wife' references which gives the Church a lot of leeway.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-27937160023202482212014-04-10T16:31:01.769-06:002014-04-10T16:31:01.769-06:00Thanks for commenting Reyanna. I haven't seen...Thanks for commenting Reyanna. I haven't seen the story line about Francis and the human trafficking meeting and will look it up. What I do think is that if Francis is thwarted from implementing his understanding of the mission of the Church he will resign before he's overcome. Should that happen it will be one heck of a statement and cause one heck of an earth quake in the Church.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-83002443720131914872014-04-10T15:53:19.714-06:002014-04-10T15:53:19.714-06:00A bit off topic but perhaps not so far is this ide...A bit off topic but perhaps not so far is this idea from a Harvard theologian. <br /><br />http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/10/testing-reveals-no-evidence-that-gospel-of-jesuss-wife-is-a-modern-forgery/<br /><br /><br /><br />What does this do to a celibate priesthood.rdp46noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-33509545928339737202014-04-10T15:39:46.834-06:002014-04-10T15:39:46.834-06:00I think Francis demonstrates daily that he is much...I think Francis demonstrates daily that he is much more Fr. Francis than monarch Francis. Did you follow the story line today about his attending the Human Trafficking meeting? When he entered the meeting room, he took his place seated among all the other attendees and gave his short speech from there. He demonstrated that he is not above anyone else and I have seen him do this time and time again. I think he does use the fact that he is considered a global power broker when he wants to convey a message which is what he did with the speech itself. Whether over time he becomes monarch more and Fr. Francis less is the question but I think the depth of his spirituality will lead him in the right direction. Read the transcript of his recent interview with the kids from Belgium to get an idea of what I am talking about. It is out in English, but if you cannot find it I have a copy of it. Based on what I have read about him, which has been quite a bit both about his time in the papacy and his time in Argentina, and watching many hours of video, I am betting that Fr. Francis is the more dominant role in his life.Reyanna Ricenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-8192272280971025902014-04-10T14:59:25.322-06:002014-04-10T14:59:25.322-06:00Wow thanks for articulating so clearly what I'...Wow thanks for articulating so clearly what I've been "feeling" about Francis for a long time, but unable to express in words. This image of the two Francis' really nails it. What a dilemma to be in. I don't envy him.jaydencameronnoreply@blogger.com