tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post4057520661130997291..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Uganda, The Family, Catholicism and Totalitarianism For Jesus.colkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-29512938518508761922009-11-30T23:43:24.691-07:002009-11-30T23:43:24.691-07:00You are aware (I hope...) that John Allen is an Op...You are aware (I hope...) that John Allen is an Opus Dei member.....<br /><br />Seriously. <br /><br />This explains his ease of access to the 'big boys'....his whitewash of Opus Dei....& that which other have noted in their comments. <br /><br />He is in the same club as Rocco Palma of 'Whispers in the Loggia" fame. <br /><br />...and Raymond Arroyo of EWTN fame, who is very well trained as a method actor (not a journalist...). <br /><br />Escriva's Obra is guided by his maxim: "the ends justify the means" (paraphrased from The Way). So they will use this or that person - of ANY political stripe. As long as he is 'friendly' to their agenda. <br /><br />They are old veterans of employing the 'strategy of tension'. <br /><br />Why do you think they are creating a 'big deal' about Gay Marriage/Gay Civil Rights? Or health care? Or Abortion? Aside from some of the Opus' in house fanatics, those in charge could care less about any morality inherent in these issues. <br /><br />The pot is being stirred by these 'false issues', distracting ppl from impending global crises....and the dismantling of the US as an economic & military power. <br /><br />Key concept: right-wing fascist hegemony. This is part of the 'real' agenda.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-90139094691073343972009-11-29T16:32:54.721-07:002009-11-29T16:32:54.721-07:00The way I look at it Bill is our job is to elucida...The way I look at it Bill is our job is to elucidate on and point out all the use of 'mental reservation' in order to dig out the truth from what the "Big boys" report.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-1258198565578363852009-11-29T15:50:00.531-07:002009-11-29T15:50:00.531-07:00Colleen, you're very right.
Re: John Allen, i...Colleen, you're very right.<br /><br />Re: John Allen, it's interesting to me that, when various bloggers challenged his slams of other bloggers at NCR, he never really engaged an argument Greg Bullough made powerfully in his critique of John Allen.<br /><br />Bullough noted that, without lavish expense accounts and access to the big boys who run things behind the scenes, many bloggers/citizen journalists still dig for the truth and try to tell it as honestly as possible.<br /><br />The implication is, of course, that those with the lavish expense accounts who wine and dine with the powerful boys don't always tell the truth because they can't do so--not and retain their expense accounts, and their entree to the powerful.<br /><br />I'm glad that there are lay Catholics who have the kind of access that John Allen has, and who try to report what they hear from the halls of power. But I think that not to acknowledge the ways in which that access is bought--and thus compromised--is problematic.<br /><br />Especially when those same bought and paid for reporters want to make nasty comments about their many brothers and sisters who are seeking the truth without all the financial and institutional support these voices for power have.William D. Lindseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246026074693891965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-64542222304237739382009-11-29T08:07:52.693-07:002009-11-29T08:07:52.693-07:00"will become the new talking point of centris..."will become the new talking point of centrists, who will excuse churches' support of or silence about the Ugandan legislation as a necessary response to the pressures of the left."<br /><br />Bill didn't we see this same pattern from German centrists who saw some of the excesses of the National Socialists as a necessary response to the cultural changes associated with the Weimar Republic? <br /><br />I thank God for John Allen because he is getting so obvious-- especially in contrast to the rest of the reporting on the NCR.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-78515670961548348932009-11-29T06:52:20.922-07:002009-11-29T06:52:20.922-07:00Colleen, great posting, and an important one.
It ...Colleen, great posting, and an important one.<br /><br />It looks as if John Allen's approach is toeing what will become the party line in centrist circles now. Box Turtle Bulletin has a good posting about this today.<br /><br />The game is to blame the left in the U.S. and Europe for pressuring Africa on these issues, in order to justify draconian laws that cannot be defended otherwise. <br /><br />Box Turtle shows that behind this evil and dishonest attempt to justify homophobia enshrined in law are folks like Scott Lively. Lively has stated that laws making homosexuality a capital crime need to be on the books, even when they're not enforced, to remind folks that homosexuality is aberrant and not to be tolerated.<br /><br />It appears that this talking point--which is entirely crafted by right-wing groups in the U.S., who would like to impose this legal pattern in the U.S.--will become the new talking point of centrists, who will excuse churches' support of or silence about the Ugandan legislation as a necessary response to the pressures of the left.William D. Lindseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246026074693891965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-70387361138737271362009-11-28T17:25:38.271-07:002009-11-28T17:25:38.271-07:00Unfortunately, this isn't the first time Allen...Unfortunately, this isn't the first time Allen has done a whitewash. He whitewashed Opus Dei in his book about Opus Dei, and the real valid criticisms of Opus Dei have nothing to do with the fiction that is the "Da Vinci Code." <br /><br />The same people preparing laws to impart the death penalty for gay Ugandans ultimately want to do the same thing here, but they know they would encounter far more resistance. Of course, the wealthy and well-connected folks would be protected, but the less wealthy and well-connected would not be.khughes1963https://www.blogger.com/profile/16118365554189078448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-43347400881504674332009-11-28T16:49:48.047-07:002009-11-28T16:49:48.047-07:00Here's the call to battle. Watch this clip an...Here's the call to battle. Watch this clip and, near the end, an African clergy person SHOUTS: <i>Jesus Christ is <b>KING</b> of the universe!</i><br /><br />http://www.linktv.org/programs/battle-of-the-bishops<br /><br /><i>King of the Universe.</i> Sounds like totalitarian to me!TheraPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684120043427738135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-44936883580877045422009-11-28T12:52:49.513-07:002009-11-28T12:52:49.513-07:00Sorry if my comment came off as if I imagined this...Sorry if my comment came off as if I imagined this were only in the US (initially I did, months ago - but not since this Uganda business and the further info about an international "conspiracy) I too have found my eyes slowly opening here. And I agree with you. But Leo Strauss's ideas were not just for one nation. He originally came from Germany and pawned himself off as a philosopher. And his groups, which still continue, are very secretive. It's akin to the Opus, so that it seems to function in cells. And I'm pretty sure it extends internationally - though given the secrecy it's hard to know for sure. Strong connection to Israel. Antipathy to Islam. The principles I synthesized are applicable to many situations. The Straussians are interconnected with The Family - though I doubt they are really in any way religious themselves. The secrecy. The "virtuous lie" - would permit them to ally with people professing Christianity - in a manipulative way.<br /><br />I don't think any of us really understands the network here. Or its ultimate goals. Or means to those goals. I just think we can see the outlines.<br /><br />And I'm guessing that a Catholic Church under attack has sought alliances - which it may think it can control. (Same thing with the conservative Episcopalians, who allied with African Bishops.) But I seriously doubt that. Indeed, some of the apparent naivete of the pope may well be related to this - I hesitate to really use the word "christian" but totalitarian movement. However, in order to pursue a global agenda, I'm assuming they have to work to take over governments, or at the very least to undermine democratic principles and infiltrate important positions. (Or are you assuming that they're simply going to "use" the churches with an international "reach" here?) I don't think that would be sufficient - and it wouldn't really fit the straussians who just "use" religions.<br /><br />It's hard to think like these people - they're criminals, disguised as religious zealots.<br /><br />I think we're feeling an elephant like the 10 blind men. But so long as we communicate about this - we can get the outlines. <br /><br />Very dangerous business!<br /><br />Re Catholicism in Africa: It isn't monolithic. Depends maybe on the country and the person. Maybe you mean Bishops though. I've met African priests who are very, very deeply spiritual men. And that can't be faked. Plus they seem to have no agenda whatsoever other than a mentality of deepening the faith and spirituality of the faithful. (The couple I've known of late.) On the other hand, if you're talking a "spiritual elite" then it could be Bishops have simply "gone over" to the dark side. One priest from the Congo is pretty clear on his antipathy to colonialism.<br /><br />Wish I knew the answers to your questions. However this is just about the most insidious thing I've run across. And it explains all too much.TheraPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684120043427738135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-52241278972305036402009-11-28T11:02:52.971-07:002009-11-28T11:02:52.971-07:00TheraP it's taken me awhile to really understa...TheraP it's taken me awhile to really understand what's going on here. The reality is this is not American Catholic bishops becoming the Republican Catholic Church, it's much deeper and more devious.<br /><br />It's about them colluding with the Evangelicals of the Family and the New Apostolic Reformation who are hell bent on creating a Christian totalitarianism on a global basis.<br /><br />Why in the world our bishops think these fellow culture warriors will allow for any kind of Catholic leadership not under their precise control is beyond me. Stupak is the perfect example of a Catholic who answers to the C street definition of Catholicism. Where would Stupak come down if his allegiance to C street conflicted with his allegiance to the Church--say over the evils of unfettered capitalism or immigration?<br /><br />It's pretty obvious Stupak has no real allegiance to notions of representational American democracy. My question is does he have any real allegiance to Catholicism or does it only go as far as a few designated culture issues. <br /><br />This is an extremely important question for Catholicism in Africa. Are these African bishops really Catholic or are they just more C street, IRD, culture warriors who see themselves as part of the ruling elite? It's very hard to tell.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-63731602238678197952009-11-28T10:03:21.356-07:002009-11-28T10:03:21.356-07:00Re the Fascist and political connections to this, ...Re the Fascist and political connections to this, see my blog on the Leo Strauss' connections to neocon thinking. If you scroll down you'll see the list of neocon/Straussian principles which interlock religion and the state via an Elite group of rulers who deliberately lie to the people and feed them propaganda, perpetual war, contempt for dissenters, and a sense of superiority:<br /><br />http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/therap/2009/05/who-is-leo-strauss-and-why-sho.php<br /><br />Yes, this is all too real. I did a lot of research for the blog above. And when you begin to see how conservatives across denominations are cooperating in a vast network, which stigmatizes and demonizes certain groups, while hoodwinking and fleecing the population, it makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up. It sounds stranger than fiction. But do your homework and you'll be convinced. <br /><br />Thanks for this great post! I think some of us on the left are beginning to wake up. It's not just a perversion of Christianity. It's a total marriage of religion and the state in the service of an Elite group, bent on destroying democracy and any who would stand up against them.TheraPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684120043427738135noreply@blogger.com