tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post428960905150592724..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Bill Donohue And Irish Abuse--It's All Hysteriacolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-25676204098526013252009-08-16T01:15:30.314-06:002009-08-16T01:15:30.314-06:00After reading the Ryan Report - FULLY reading it t...After reading the Ryan Report - FULLY reading it that is - it's patently obvious that the delinquents in these institutions WERE the Religious Orders. They starved, enslaved, battered, belittled and raped the children.The Knitterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06447618539832675360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-45780961044214868632009-05-25T16:27:52.121-06:002009-05-25T16:27:52.121-06:00LOL !!!!LOL !!!!butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-6116959723725154902009-05-25T14:00:10.348-06:002009-05-25T14:00:10.348-06:00Jim, I had to laugh. Personally I preferred Howdy...Jim, I had to laugh. Personally I preferred Howdy Doody to Bozo the clown.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-66203047575626955572009-05-25T13:37:32.977-06:002009-05-25T13:37:32.977-06:00The NCR referred to Donahue as a Bozo. To do so i...The NCR referred to Donahue as a Bozo. To do so is to defame the good name of a good clown!<br /><br />Donahue is a BAD witch, not a good clown.<br /><br />Jim McCreaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-63629200133384034112009-05-25T08:20:06.212-06:002009-05-25T08:20:06.212-06:00Colleen, following your formula, we have emotional...Colleen, following your formula, we have emotional children acting as adults in leading the church. They have the ability to make all the decisions because they are ordained. The adults they lead, who have often educated ourselves and worked through some of the issues these emotional children were unable to work through due to seminary training, have to stand by and let them tear everything up, simply because they have all the power.<br /><br />And the church tells us this is how Christ wanted things to be set up?! Your insights are really powerful here, and deserve a lot of consideration.William D. Lindseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246026074693891965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-91202581302192518742009-05-24T19:19:26.462-06:002009-05-24T19:19:26.462-06:00You commentary & professional explanation of B...You commentary & professional explanation of BPD is wonferful, and very much aids in understand the root cause of all this. <br /><br />It is very sad; the 'blind leading the blind & training them to be blind"!<br /><br />An attorney once defined the three types of lawyers for me:<br /><br />1. The lawyer who either works for a law firm or independently. They must constantly be on their toes, proving their worth & sharpening their skills in their profession. <br /><br />2. The corporate attorney who works for the law dept. of some corporation. These are the ones who can't make it in the "real world":) of #1.<br /><br />3. The 'one-client attorney", otherwise known as a Mafia Consigliere:).....who is not fit for either of the above categories.....<br /><br />I leave it to the reader to determine which category Donohue belongs to; but you can guess my opinion!<br /><br />The Catholic League is little more then an Opus Dei front operation. Positing itself as the 'guardians of the US Church'. They operate by tilting at windmills with WMDs. Overkill, as exemplified by Donohue is their mode of operation. As if they were BPD personified......<br /><br />As to the Opus link to the League, go to their website & look up who is on their board. Start with Raymond Arroyo.........hint, hint:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-75288923823190289462009-05-24T10:33:19.615-06:002009-05-24T10:33:19.615-06:00People with BPD have dogged me all my life in my f...People with BPD have dogged me all my life in my family, in the workplace and now in the Church. I always was left with the feeling after encounters with BPD's that the world belongs on my shoulders and that I should fix it but at the same time told that I can not or am not worthy enough to do so.<br /><br />Bill, I can relate to what you are saying with encountering a BPD, "the scars from trying to deal as an adult with someone whose behavior is determined by the wounded child within are fearsome--when that adult has power in the workplace."<br /><br />Such BPD persons are able to twist and distort reality and events and others to such an extent, which is fueled by their mental blocks and denial, that they are able to convince others of their false projections through the curved circus mirror they conceive as a true image that is in truth a false image. They force one into a defensive posture. That very defensiveness can become a snare.<br /><br />As someone with anorexia looks in the mirror they see a fat person, even though they are very very thin. Even though they are malnourishing themselves they insist that they are fat or even obese. BPD persons have a distorted perception of reality and they see reality, events, history and others through a curved circus mirror of projections. <br /> <br />Here is an example of a BPD encounter: I was in a car and a BPD person was driving and at an intersection the BPD cut someone off while making an abrupt left turn. The BPD fully denied cutting anyone off and claimed that they were cut off. When I said that she cut them off, which was not even mild criticism, but the truth, I received a thorough ballistic verbal thrashing that you would think that I was not only a liar but not in my right mind. I'll never forget that experience. One still cannot express a view that would be contrary to her own view about anything without being thoroughly ripped up and destroyed. I have a very limited relationship with this person anymore. There can be no discussion at all about anything. One has to always agree with her, even if one knows deep inside that they are wrong, in order to avoid being verbally attacked unmercifully. A lot of people in the workplace do put up with such people just to keep from losing their job. Testimony from others with similar encounters with this BPD elicit the same or similar type of response. In order to avoid any confrontation with the BPD, they are silent about a host of issues that truly need addressing but are never addressed for fear of relentless and unmerciful attack.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-70619660117187519022009-05-24T10:22:59.956-06:002009-05-24T10:22:59.956-06:00Bill, in the final analysis it's still indicative ...Bill, in the final analysis it's still indicative of the emotional child being in control of the adult response.<br /><br />It's no accident that so much of the Church's institutional abuse was directed at children or powerless indigenous populations who were seen to be children.<br /><br />This scandal is in a very real sense, emotional children in adult bodies bullying and abusing real children and justifying it in the name of Christ. The Church described by the Ryan report is not the Body of Christ, it's a psychologically immature and sick human enterprise. The sooner this is acknowledged the sooner we will see real change in how Catholicism does business. <br /><br />The problem is we are praying and hoping the sick institution will recognize it's sickness and heal itself. Like that ever happens in the real world. <br /><br />There will be no hope as long as the bishops who run the show don't find enough personal integrity to call a spade a spade. If Cardinal Brady is that appalled by this scandal, perhaps he should resign and refuse to be a part of an institution and a hierarchy that knowingly let this happen. I doubt I'll see that any time soon anymore than we've seen the head honchos on Wall Street give up their own power and excessive financial gain. <br /><br />Bullys and power junkies don't let go of their power to exploit until it's taken from them. Expecting them to self correct is pure folly. See Dick Cheney.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-91255064951006968822009-05-24T07:56:00.681-06:002009-05-24T07:56:00.681-06:00Colleen, I hope your analysis of the link between ...Colleen, I hope your analysis of the link between borderline personality disorder and the hierarchy's behavior gets a wide reading. It's illuminating.<br /><br />As you know, I have encountered a BPD in the workplace, and the scars from trying to deal as an adult with someone whose behavior is determined by the wounded child within are fearsome--when that adult has power in the workplace.<br /><br />Or the church. There's an interesting pattern I have noted in many church officials with whom I've interacted over the years. This is the total inability to hear constructive criticism as anything other than a broadside attack. <br /><br />As a result, many clerics respond to even mild criticism with nuclear bomb-type defensiveness, when they have the power to do so. And in the institutional church, they almost always do have such power.<br /><br />And in my view, that's the real root of the problem.William D. Lindseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246026074693891965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-14222848643476216842009-05-23T19:50:34.186-06:002009-05-23T19:50:34.186-06:00I can hardly even read this man's name without fee...I can hardly even read this man's name without feeling ill.Kikinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-53085240223428100072009-05-23T12:45:29.305-06:002009-05-23T12:45:29.305-06:00Bill Donohue needs to read the entire report.Bill Donohue needs to read the entire report.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.com