tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post5212010213387022398..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: A Papal Theologian Explains Why Women Have An Easier Time Relating To Christ And Why That Means They Can't Be Ordained......Or Something Like Thatcolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-43042904913936985802013-02-08T11:37:19.574-07:002013-02-08T11:37:19.574-07:00Their cosmology becomes even more hilariously conv...Their cosmology becomes even more hilariously convoluted as they attempt to explain it and extract some measure of wisdom and practicality.John Shusternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-21845867397377609902013-02-07T10:09:39.132-07:002013-02-07T10:09:39.132-07:00Oh I definitely agree! When I started to look into...Oh I definitely agree! When I started to look into Eastern religions several years back to get a better understanding of them, I was both amazed and impressed with some of the cross-pollination. We know from other fields of knowledge how they were opened up thanks to the trade routes, I don't see why religion would be any different!<br /><br /><br />Back in college I remember some philosophy professor once saying that the big difference between Eastern & Western faiths is really just the different interpretations of an ambiguous phrase along the lines of "there is a path to salvation for every man [person]." Western faiths take it to mean there is one path for all people to follow to salvation, Eastern faiths take the flip meaning that every person has his/her *own* path (i.e., "a path") to salvation. He was a logic professor...Adam Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-6370344174425970492013-02-06T21:33:23.844-07:002013-02-06T21:33:23.844-07:00My daughter came up with an article by Martha Stew...My daughter came up with an article by Martha Stewart: "Confecting The Perfect Host."colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-74219287873644828802013-02-06T21:31:26.524-07:002013-02-06T21:31:26.524-07:00One of the people with those theories was once on ...One of the people with those theories was once on the Pontifical Theological Commission. <br /><br /><br /><br />If the Magi story has any truth at all, it is possible Jesus used the gifts to travel East and meet his benefactors. It is amazing how many quotes and stories from the Buddha can be found in the New Testament. Enough to pretty much prove there was at least some cross cultural thinking moving along with the trade on the Eastern trade routes.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-26361061275124726162013-02-06T15:38:55.075-07:002013-02-06T15:38:55.075-07:00Hogwarts is apt.
I experience a tremor every tim...Hogwarts is apt. <br /><br />I experience a tremor every time I pass the old seminary place. Today I realized my undergraduate degree, in no less than scholastic philosophy, is from this institution. Today there are no seminarians there. The buildings are largely abandoned. Part of one of the buildings fell down, collapsed, a few years ago. <br /><br />My memories are of the mid sixties so contemporaneous with Vatican II. This might allow for a little slack between Trent and the 20th century.<br /><br />Anyhow one more war story. The rector of this seminary is on record, and I am sure there is a recording of this that I suspect may still exist. The rector gave regular weekly conferences and was always fearful of being recorded. Never underestimate the resolve of a determined student body. Here's the quote as I remember it: "What we are trying to do is to train priests who have an in depth knowledge of the Baltimore Catechism 3.”<br /><br />Sad, sad, but I suspect Giertych would be very much at home in those mostly abandoned buildings. My fear is that is where pope Ratzinger wants to take the church. For me: these were my college years and they are pretty much a loss.wild hairhttp://www.wildhair95.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-2068117821877878682013-02-06T09:53:56.617-07:002013-02-06T09:53:56.617-07:00More thoughts on the ridiculous. Male and Female m...More thoughts on the ridiculous. Male and Female monastic also become married to their order when they take final vows. So they are not only married to same sex partners but to a group of them. Poly and gender bending. This is where the bad theology road ends.<br /><br /> PS I have great respect for my friends who are vowed religious.Suevallejonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-90111451948267534242013-02-06T09:28:44.422-07:002013-02-06T09:28:44.422-07:00And not wholly a lie, if some people's theorie...And not wholly a lie, if some people's theories of Jesus travelling in the East before his public ministry are to be believed :)Adam Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-29499976145407410472013-02-06T09:24:44.407-07:002013-02-06T09:24:44.407-07:00Isn't a 'zinger' like "Homo and G...Isn't a 'zinger' like "Homo and Garden" blatantly sexist? How can we hold these Church men accountable for their beliefs if we use narrow-minded turns of phrase to attack them? I am a straight man who gets loads of compliments on how I decorate my apartment, arrange & select my furniture, etc. It just happens I'm a designer by trade-- admittedly not an interior one, but the skills bleed across.Adam Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-54401597638316285462013-02-05T20:52:29.014-07:002013-02-05T20:52:29.014-07:00Better idea.Better idea.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-62892042211912254802013-02-05T20:51:56.759-07:002013-02-05T20:51:56.759-07:00The male janitor in consultation with the assigned...The male janitor in consultation with the assigned priest. LOLcolkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-87547281958709195472013-02-05T20:50:33.480-07:002013-02-05T20:50:33.480-07:00I know Molly. How can these men expect this of wo...I know Molly. How can these men expect this of women when apparently Jesus failed and He is God.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-72055345269508281582013-02-05T20:49:37.605-07:002013-02-05T20:49:37.605-07:00I have read this comment three times and just can&...I have read this comment three times and just can't believe any seminary instructor would be this ill informed. My God, did he think he was teaching at Hogwarts?colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-39191942811410478302013-02-05T20:47:37.307-07:002013-02-05T20:47:37.307-07:00Thanks Bill. I had others in mind but kept my rea...Thanks Bill. I had others in mind but kept my really sarcastic fingers from taking over my brain.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-82036807010276662522013-02-05T20:46:46.152-07:002013-02-05T20:46:46.152-07:00Tim when I first read this I thought, 'no one ...Tim when I first read this I thought, 'no one is this dumb', but then maybe he is. Maybe Geirtych is a product of a junior seminary and monastic training and maybe he really has been sheltered and thinks 'mommy' when he thinks of women.<br /><br /><br />I still don't know why Ingrid Stampa was more or less thrown out of Pope Benedict's family circle, but she is no longer allowed in the Vatican. Ingrid was not a dumb, submissive, or naive woman, but now that she's gone the clueless men have seemingly taken ascendancy.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-80239683659843289272013-02-05T10:33:49.060-07:002013-02-05T10:33:49.060-07:00"Father Giertych acknowledged that a Catholic..."Father Giertych acknowledged that a Catholic woman might sincerely believe she is called to the priesthood, but said such a "subjective" belief does not indicate the objective existence of a vocation." <br /><br />With all due respect to the good father, he might sincerely believe that he (or any other male) was called to the priesthood, but such a "subjective" belief does not indicate the objective existence of his vocation. Since the Vocare is from the Divine (insert long segue into the 'objective existence' of the Divine) and is entirely between the Caller and the called, there is no 'objective proof' of a vocation. Conversely, there is no less objective proof for the existence of a woman being called to priesthood than a man.<br /><br />As to the overall tone and conclusions that Fr. Giertych comes to, they undermine any credence or authority which any church figure (let alone anyone with a JonThomas) has to speak about sexuality, gender or issues pertaining thereunto. To my mind, the comments are indicative of stereotypes and misconceptions which underscore a profound lack of understanding which comes with direct experience and personal interaction.Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-29257921163454498962013-02-05T07:40:36.559-07:002013-02-05T07:40:36.559-07:00The Buddha Jesus?The Buddha Jesus?Agni Ashwinhttp://www.facebook.com/agni.ashwinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-73044621442190166502013-02-05T07:38:48.260-07:002013-02-05T07:38:48.260-07:00Your headline alone is stupendous, Colleen!Your headline alone is stupendous, Colleen!William D. Lindseyhttp://www.bilgrimage.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-67995359876673705512013-02-05T06:02:38.644-07:002013-02-05T06:02:38.644-07:00Dominican Fr Giertych says: “Men are more likely t...Dominican Fr Giertych says: “Men are more likely to think of God in terms of philosophical definitions and logical syllogisms, he said, a quality valuable for fulfilling a priest's duty to transmit church teaching.” <br /><br />This reminded me of an exchange from an unchanging time in the seminary years ago between a student and the professor charged with introducing students to the mystery of St. Thomas’ scholastic philosophy. <br /><br />Now the student acquainted with the discoveries of modern science was arguing with the professor about the number of elements. Today the number stands at about 118 identified elements. The professor could not be swayed from his lofty perch maintaining the student was wrong and there were only four elements; earth, air, fire, and water. Of course the professor’s argument went back from St. Thomas to Aristotle’s Book of Physics. It was the only argument he needed. <br /><br />One other great irony from that time; scholastic philosophy was often presented as the mother of all sciences and superior to them. It is sad but true, the church is today still anti-science especially when the behavioral sciences are involved. Fr. Giertych in his turn, trying to explain why no women priests, offers one more example of what is so lacking in the transmission of church teaching.wild hairhttp://www.wildhair95.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-51034489429504937712013-02-05T04:32:44.761-07:002013-02-05T04:32:44.761-07:00Fr Gerty has surpassed her/himself. This is a rea...Fr Gerty has surpassed her/himself. This is a really good laugh. Thanks so much - such cause for hilarity is rare.simmarynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-15912876346018746872013-02-04T23:21:36.217-07:002013-02-04T23:21:36.217-07:00“the mission of women in the church is to convince...“the mission of women in the church is to convince the male that power is not most important...” Same old, same old---the responsibility of women is to help men become better. No thank you. Over and out.Molly Roachnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-82834749778090907762013-02-04T23:00:18.235-07:002013-02-04T23:00:18.235-07:00The really sad part is how badly this essay and it...The really sad part is how badly this essay and it's line of reasoning would be laughed out of a decent and rigorious school of theology. And THESE are the people in charge? Help, just help.Suevallejonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-78250475679296686392013-02-04T20:26:31.475-07:002013-02-04T20:26:31.475-07:00Wow, well said. Glad to see you here and I enjoy ...Wow, well said. Glad to see you here and I enjoy reading your comments on the NCR.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-48538887444617661302013-02-04T20:22:52.225-07:002013-02-04T20:22:52.225-07:00One can hope so, but that brings ups a whole diffe...One can hope so, but that brings ups a whole different problem. Too many people can't tell the difference between parody and personal belief. Given his position, if this was parody it's well covered.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-24968736755866543742013-02-04T19:07:39.099-07:002013-02-04T19:07:39.099-07:00Bravo! Well said!Bravo! Well said!TheraPhttp://wisdom4nothing.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-34540640100131099872013-02-04T17:27:00.118-07:002013-02-04T17:27:00.118-07:00If there was a legitimate reason to exclude women ...If there was a legitimate reason to exclude women from the priesthood, we would have heard about it a long time ago--so I'm never surprised when a defense of the Vatican's position fails to convince. But this is a whole new kind of stupid. I can't help but wonder if secretly he's in favour of women's ordination and he's making fun of those who aren't by parodying their desperation theology.PrickliestPearnoreply@blogger.com