tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post6647566967462274955..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Pell: The Pastor Of Coinscolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-16100359992140494662014-05-22T15:04:27.504-06:002014-05-22T15:04:27.504-06:00Ok, So this blog post is by a "catholic mysti...Ok, So this blog post is by a "catholic mystic/psychic" and we are meant to take this seriously? Anyway, when I started reading it I thought there may be some substance to the litany of calumnious cynicism therein contained. But if a self proclaimed psychic also wants me to donate "between the pet food and the entertainment budget" for this drivel then I realise that it he is just as bad as those he criticises.Tonynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-2860547902101136382014-04-11T05:30:04.785-06:002014-04-11T05:30:04.785-06:00Yes, unconquered, each time a grand jury forces a ...Yes, unconquered, each time a grand jury forces a diocese to open its books, the bishop has been lying to the people. Some have been reported, but each and every time some more have not, The grand jury in Los Angeles documented this. So did Philadelphia. So did Sydney. Books and documentaries about Boston, Albuquerque, Ireland. Liars promoted, both conservative and liberal. Look it up. I do not make unsubstantiated claims. Stop calling me a liar.<br /><br /><br />It is not silly or weird. It is not an argument where you try to win by twisting my words into a straw man you can knock down. It is my life in the Church, nowhere near unique and yes, in every diocese. Whatever next are the same facts you refuse to see, same thing for 2 1/2 weeks, so stop wondering and open your eyes.<br /><br /><br />We're done here, right?Matt Connollynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-87115643357513225562014-04-11T05:12:16.545-06:002014-04-11T05:12:16.545-06:00You didn't give any facts, through any of this...You didn't give any facts, through any of this. You've just made milder and wilder (unsubstantiated) claims about clerical abuse of children. Why, now you're saying that the problem occurred in every diocese and that every bishop failed to report a known case of sexual abuse of children. I mean, really. That is mad. You say all of the 5,000+ bishops have A) discovered sexual abuse of children in their diocese and B) covered it up?<br /><br />This is getting silly. <br /><br />It was weird enough when you were saying the Church taught us to cover it up. Now you're saying that not a single bishop has reported it. What-ever next, I wonder?Invictus_88http://fora.tv/myfora/9668/Invictus_88noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-40262896674751173182014-04-11T04:32:41.006-06:002014-04-11T04:32:41.006-06:00So when this happened in each and every diocese, b...So when this happened in each and every diocese, by each and every bishop, when many of those bishops remain in power (not service, power), when no bishop has been held up as a model either by victims or by the hierarchy, when lies can be documented all the way to the papacy.....your response for two and a half weeks is "The Church doesn't teach that." <br /><br /><br />We see that you won't see. We see you have nothing else. I have forgiven the Church, but I won't forgive and forget. People remain more important than ritual, just like Jesus says.<br /><br /><br />We're done here, right? Unless you'd like to counter all of these reams of facts with anything besides "no it's not", because yes, it was and still is. Open your eyes.Matt Connollynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-54952262451506277722014-04-11T03:27:26.323-06:002014-04-11T03:27:26.323-06:00Your quote was that the Church tells us it is so i...Your quote was that the Church tells us it is so important for a priest to fulfill his Eucharistic function that we should cover it up if he is found be be abusing children. That was, and is, clearly bollocks, which is why I pushed you to back it up with evidence that that is indeed what the Church teaches us.<br /><br />You do not seem to have forgiven the Church.Invictus_88http://fora.tv/myfora/9668/Invictus_88noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-48969904478261802222014-04-09T13:51:17.761-06:002014-04-09T13:51:17.761-06:00Your article contains great contents. Its really i...Your article contains great contents. Its really informative for all of us.Thanks, Colleen. Great article.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.LawHelpNY.org" rel="nofollow">new york legal assistance</a>JasonMarks1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-14876154452863907012014-04-08T15:47:08.418-06:002014-04-08T15:47:08.418-06:001. My quote is above. It doesn't say any of ...1. My quote is above. It doesn't say any of that.<br /><br /><br />2. I'm attacking the Church? The church is the people of God. I was attacked. Many other people of God were attacked. The majority of the attacks are by rogue priests bringing down the good name of those good priests called to serve the people of God. I'll defend the people of God against those men. If you think that's an attack, so be it.<br /><br /><br />The men who could stop this are the bishops in charge. They did not. They continued the "ministry" of these rogue priests (documented) in new places. They cowed victims into silence and lawyered up when the silence was broken. Many of them remain in unchecked and unscrutinized power. I'll defend the people of God against that attack. If you think I'm the attacker, so be it.<br /><br /><br />3. You have nothing else? You keep whacking the strawman of me attacking the church I've loved and forgiven. You can't answer the documented and cited facts of the situation. You've had two weeks to try.<br /><br /><br />You stand exposed. Are we through here?Matt Connollynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-71701996599248483142014-04-08T07:45:26.502-06:002014-04-08T07:45:26.502-06:00*sigh*
Hundreds of people rape and murder.
This ...*sigh*<br />Hundreds of people rape and murder. <br /><br />This is not the same as the State teaching rape and murder. <br />It is not the same as saying that "the Nation is perfect, people are imperfect".<br />It does not mean that the State is "deceitful".<br /><br />It means (and nothing else) that the rules have been disobeyed. So, let's be realistic, and stop attacking the Church..?Invictus_88http://fora.tv/myfora/9668/Invictus_88noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-29078574724222379612014-04-08T04:59:25.177-06:002014-04-08T04:59:25.177-06:00"The rules say that those abuses must be repo..."The rules say that those abuses must be reported and examined and guilty priests punished."Except they weren't -- everywhere, by everyone. Including popes. Some rule. The rest of what you've written restates the same stuff.<br /><br /><br /><br />We have established that you believe in the "perfect church run by imperfect people" standard that maintains an inscrutable hierarchy. We have established that those who don't must be lying and therefore can't be trusted or even heeded. We have established that all other data is not worthy of your discussion unless a pope wrote it.<br /><br /><br />Do you have anything else?<br /><br /><br />And yes, those are the reasons you, and those like you, continue to allow a deceitful hierarchy to control the People of God. I remain faithful that the Holy Spirit is above that control. I remain hopeful for you. And that's what drives you now, because all of these are incomprehensible to you and must be corrected.Matt Connollynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-36443271521850870912014-04-06T19:06:12.337-06:002014-04-06T19:06:12.337-06:00The RCC is "ontologically" invested in c...The RCC is "ontologically" invested in corporate consumption culture, especially since the de Medici Popes. Opus Dei is but another incarnation of commercial pietism. Seems like corruption to me. How is that like anything in the Good News Gospel of Jesus? As long as people keep flooding the imperial coffers with coins, I expect the hierarchs will justify their consciences and continue pietistically to cloth their minds and bodies in royal pomp.sylvesterpatsteffennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-40644338479220023792014-04-06T10:01:10.341-06:002014-04-06T10:01:10.341-06:00Thanks, Colleen. Great article. I hadn't reall...Thanks, Colleen. Great article. I hadn't really been following Pell's testimony that closely. I read someone who opined that Pell proves that the top churchmen are atheists. Sounds about right to me.Betty Clermontnoreply@blogger.com