tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post6668590447460023253..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: The Chronicles Of Austriacolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-12843598702811127962011-09-13T22:04:50.272-06:002011-09-13T22:04:50.272-06:00p2p: it's too late tonight but the link sounds...p2p: it's too late tonight but the link sounds very interesting and I will read it tomorrow.<br /><br />Dennis, we are seeing mindless, "becasue we've always had it' authoritarianism crash and burn all over the globe. There is a big message there, but the people who really need to hear it, won't. Wasn't it Jesus who kept saying "eyes to see and ears to hear"?colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-28850152677744936522011-09-13T22:00:18.924-06:002011-09-13T22:00:18.924-06:00T'pel your observation is right. I too have w...T'pel your observation is right. I too have wondered how these holier than thou Catholics and their constant drum beat for us to leave, can't see that they too are fomenting schism. Except I know all too well how the dynamic works.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-3580379050034279842011-09-13T18:10:26.008-06:002011-09-13T18:10:26.008-06:00Hardly matters which decision this Cardinal makes,...Hardly matters which decision this Cardinal makes, authoritarianism begins to crack with this type of current descent. Benedict will call it secular anarchy, but it is rally thinking people who will not suffer more tyrannical dogmatism. Could be we will see two or more Popes over parts of the Catholic Church, but a better form would be a broadly elected leader who understands the downfall of the authoritarian mind set --- That is loss of all believable authority. <br /><br />Yes, we are getting there. Seems like things are moving away from the tyrannical curia in Ireland, Germany, Austria, Australia, much of the US and Canada and a large amount of south America. Seems Catholicism may follow the Jewish lead of having many reformed churches with a few cultish believers of the past dogmatism.rdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-34539876288981319032011-09-13T14:37:09.196-06:002011-09-13T14:37:09.196-06:00Sorry! The title of the article cited above is:
F...Sorry! The title of the article cited above is:<br /><br />FROM EMPTY PEWS TO EMPTY CRADLES:Fertility Decline Among European Catholics is a paper well worth reading. <br /><br />p2pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-66310354162338549732011-09-13T14:34:05.689-06:002011-09-13T14:34:05.689-06:00Challenging authority isn't as Austrian as Mam...Challenging authority isn't as Austrian as Mama and Apfelstrudel. There must be a more practical explanation. <br /><br /><><br /><br />See: http://econ.ucsd.edu/~elib/pews.pdf <br /><br />Written by economists Eli Berman, Laurence Iannaccone, and Giuseppe Ragusa in 2007 it examines the topic from a perspective outside that of theology or internecine political church dispute. (For those not familiar with economic methods such as regression analysis parts of the paper might be a bit of struggle.)<br /><br />They conclude that the decline in church social services once provided by nuns may be the unexamined underlying factor that best explains the decline of the RC Church. Interesting. Very interesting. <br /><br />Read Section 3 <i>The Impact of Catholicism: Theory and Data</i> especially section 3c <i>Catholic Social Services</i> <br /><br />Are the "secular" temptations of greater prosperity and greater participation by women in the workforce responsible for declining fertility? Or <i>"These inferences may not be warranted if, as we conjecture, rapid fertility decline in Catholic Europe is not so much due to economic development as it is due to the loss of Church-provided family-friendly social services. If our conjecture is borne out by further analysis it has important public policy implications. Religious groups may strongly support social service provision in some times and places, but very different institutional arrangements may be required to support their continued provision in changing or different cultures."</i><br /><br />Why did so many clergy leave post Vatican 2? A less desirable Theology? Unfulfilled promise of more reform to come? Desire to marry? Encroachment by the public and private sectors in areas once the provenance of charitable organizations for spiritual reason? (schools, hospitals, daycare etc.) <br /><br />The non-theologian's 1 Groschen and 1 pfennig for today. <br /><br />p2pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-23295473418977885492011-09-13T08:36:46.850-06:002011-09-13T08:36:46.850-06:00Quoted from the article:
He has received thousands...Quoted from the article:<br />He has received thousands of e-mails from all over the world, he said. Most have been supportive, but there has also been some <b>harsh criticism, with people accusing the priests of promoting a schism and telling them to leave the Catholic church</b>.<br /><br />Emphasis mine. I get quite a chuckle out of this. Presumably the same people telling this group of Catholic dissidents to leave the RCC are the same ones accusing the dissidents of schism; certainly that would follow the pattern I've seen elsewhere. My conscience says that by issuing orders to leave, they are just as guilty of promoting schism if that is in fact what it is. Personally, I think most people of the RCC are understanding enough to consider people can have a disagreement and still be members of the same family or community. It is the upper hierarchy that has trouble with this concept.T'Pelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14497973041430354008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-12980848576742854252011-09-13T08:35:03.064-06:002011-09-13T08:35:03.064-06:00Whhops;
"Leadership is submission to duty, n...Whhops;<br /><br />"Leadership is submission to duty, not elevation to power."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-25521530339295166362011-09-13T08:33:58.325-06:002011-09-13T08:33:58.325-06:00A quote relevant, in some way, to the situation;
...A quote relevant, in some way, to the situation;<br /><br />( from a First Nations TV series, Blackstone, said by the late Gordon Tootoosis;<br /><br />" Leadership is submission to duty, not evebation to power."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com