tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post6755034924754518745..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: More Spin From John 'The Apologist' Allencolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-31091269704591644772010-04-25T10:52:36.463-06:002010-04-25T10:52:36.463-06:00I agree with that assessment as well Colleen, that...I agree with that assessment as well Colleen, that the enabling is the greater crime, for the crimes would have ceased without the enabling.<br /><br />The other night I watched a program about prisons on MSNBC. A serial rapist in a New Mexico prison was interviewed. He has admitted to over 28 victims. He was caught a few times only and the other remaining victims never came forward. (This suggests to me that there are far more many victims from sexual abuse in the Church than those reported.)<br /><br />The serial rapist is just now recognizing what he has done wrong to the victims in addition to the rape. He is just getting the sense that aside from the rape of his victims, the other crime he committed that kept his victims in FEAR was that he would go through their purses after the rape and say to the victim that he knew where the victim lived and that if they spoke to the police he would come after them and their children too.<br /><br />The similarity I see here is that the serial rapist was able to keep the majority of his victims from speaking and going to the police by threatening them severely, which is EXACTLY what the Church did to the victims by threatening them with expensive lawsuits and excommunication.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-46936423747646864732010-04-25T10:49:55.993-06:002010-04-25T10:49:55.993-06:00Coleen, for the most part, my eyes are on the pict...Coleen, for the most part, my eyes are on the pictures leading your posts. To use an old cliche, clothes make the man. <br /><br />One big difference between Benedict and his predecessor is that Benedict and his underlings lack the sense to realize that these vestments look just appalling to modern Western eyes.<br /><br />However small the real differences in worldview between Benedict and John Paul II, our mental picture of John Paul II is much different. <br /><br />Simple and dignified:<br /><br />http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/George_H_W_Bush_and_Pope_John_Paul_II.jpg/405px-George_H_W_Bush_and_Pope_John_Paul_II.jpgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-87651702316287673072010-04-25T10:39:10.482-06:002010-04-25T10:39:10.482-06:00Another point of the lack of Benedict getting rid ...Another point of the lack of Benedict getting rid of the filth in the Church is that the serial rapist enabler Cardinal Law is still in Rome, Italy protected by Benedict and the serial enablers. Rome is filled with enablers of sexual abuse, enablers of serial rapist, enablers of sexual molesters of children and adolescents and young seminarians.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-72771600710695891822010-04-25T09:47:56.559-06:002010-04-25T09:47:56.559-06:00Butterfly, you have hit on the question the Vatica...Butterfly, you have hit on the question the Vatican doesn't want asked and refuses to address. Victims have repeatedly stated the enabling is the greater crime because it produced more victims and more assaults. I agree with their assessment.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-24905577597948358312010-04-25T09:21:59.362-06:002010-04-25T09:21:59.362-06:00"there is no evidence that Ratzinger has not ..."there is no evidence that Ratzinger has not been serious about his campaign to root out "filth" since then."<br /><br />Guess anonymous did not read any of the links. <br /><br />Somebody prove to me that Benedict is not a drag queen!!! Where is the evidence that he is not???? Somebody prove to me also that his secretary is not his lover!!!<br /><br />Somebody prove to me that the folks in the Vatican are Christians and not Pharisees!! <br /><br />As I have been reading all of the data about the sexual abuse by priests, the one thing that is very clear in my mind is that for decades and decades this crime continued against children and it was only possible because of people such as Ratzinger in high positions not taking the high moral ground or truly being Christian about it. Prove to me he acted in good Christian conscience regarding this matter! Ratzinger has proved himself, and all those around him aided him, they aided each other in covering up sex crimes internationally.<br /><br />What is so different morally between a serial rapist and those enabling a serial rapist to continue to rape? What are the similar characteristics of a serial rapist and serial rapist enablers? They both desire SILENCE from their VICTIMS. They both PROTECT each other. <br /><br />Who has the worse crime - a serial rapist, or the enabler that allows for the serial rapist to continue raping?butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-83624125449586239102010-04-25T07:43:37.145-06:002010-04-25T07:43:37.145-06:00The CDF has always handled cases which involve abu...The CDF has always handled cases which involve abuse of the confessional, so they had plenty of cases previous to 2001. All cases were centralized in the CDF at that point.<br /><br />The time lines suggest that the CDF got serious about expiditing cases only after world wide media exposure. Benedict, as both head of the CDF and now Pope, has avoided dealing with any corruption within the Vatican itself, or acknowledging the Vatican has any blame. <br /><br />If Hoyos is correct about Ratzinger being present at the meeting with JPII when the letter to French Bishop Pican was authorized, Ratzinger was willing to swallow his own conscience--again. Just as he did when allegations against Frs. Maciel and Buressi became the province of the CDF in the late nineties. Ratzinger took no action in either case until for years. In both these cases the stumbling blocks were Cardinal Sodano and JPII.<br /><br />Why if Ratzinger was such a crusader did he not go public? Because these cases stalled in the CDF, both these predators were free to abuse for years more--and collect big bucks for their respective orders. <br /><br />It really does give the appearance that Ratzinger only acted towards the end of JPII's pontificate to clean up his own record and then only on high profile cases, in order to further his own cause for the papacy.<br /><br />In the meantime some of the most egregious of bribe taking corrupt Cardinals are still in his employ. Benedict hasn't really cleaned up anything unless it's been to his advantage. That's my take, obviously you prefer another.<br /><br />More is coming, and yes it will come from victims lawyers because it sure isn't going to come from the Vatican.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-80510362289686186562010-04-25T07:31:10.067-06:002010-04-25T07:31:10.067-06:00Colleen, I haven't had time to read "real...Colleen, I haven't had time to read "real" blogs this week--only news-type ones.<br /><br />Now that I'm doing so, I'm amused and a bit amazed that you and I have blogged about precisely the same stories in the past several days. Synchronicity at work in a big way here, I think.<br /><br />I wonder how soon the pressure on the media will be effective and we just won't be reading further stories about any of this. It's clear to me from the self-defense NY Times has just published that it's intense.<br /><br />And it all centers on assuring that no negative information will come out about Benedict. The clumsy and obvious way they're now using Castrillon Hoyos would be hilarious if it weren't so malicious, and if it didn't imply we're too stupid to see the game being played.William D. Lindseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246026074693891965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-37885340890311573172010-04-25T00:03:31.799-06:002010-04-25T00:03:31.799-06:00You say the only reason there is not more dirt on ...You say the only reason there is not more dirt on Ratzinger is that the CDF records are secret. This is to presume guilt without any proof. In addition, the CDF did not handle sex abuse cases until 2001 and there is no evidence that Ratzinger has not been serious about his campaign to root out "filth" since then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-29497500003685479192010-04-24T22:47:27.859-06:002010-04-24T22:47:27.859-06:00I thought the smug quip about Sinead O'Connor ...I thought the smug quip about Sinead O'Connor was tawdry of John. He could have just as well have used his own name, or most people on the planet, but he shows disdain and disrespect for her, hence it taints not Sinead, but John Allen.<br /><br />Colleen, thanks for sorting out the sordid drama in the Vatican.butterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-73704311601317859422010-04-24T13:56:36.192-06:002010-04-24T13:56:36.192-06:00Anon Y. Mouse:
To me the verse that rings in my e...Anon Y. Mouse:<br /><br />To me the verse that rings in my ears is this one: "<i>I have heard my people's cry</i>." Said to Moses. From the Burning Bush.<br /><br />This is what I am following. That same voice. That same compassion. That same call. That same warning: <i>Take off your shoes. For this is Holy Ground.</i><br /><br />I honestly think we are engaged in something sacred. For which we must prepare and remain vigilant. Patient. And humble.TheraPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684120043427738135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-70783272730534003462010-04-24T13:41:21.136-06:002010-04-24T13:41:21.136-06:00The time is certainly coming when we will all have...The time is certainly coming when we will all have to decide between the power of love, or the love of power. It's pretty obvious what choice the Vatican has made.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-88157794272827558222010-04-24T12:55:03.444-06:002010-04-24T12:55:03.444-06:00As is frequently spat at me by the fanatical, brai...As is frequently spat at me by the fanatical, brainwashed sheep - conditioned into OBEDIENCE uber alles by the Church:<br /><br />"There is a saying in the Church:<br /><br />'Only God can fire a pope'"<br /><br /><br /><br />God's Response:<br /><br />As Pharaoh brought the curse of death upon the 1st born of Egypt (including his own son) by his very words from his own lips....<br /><br />"So it is written; so let it be done". <br /><br />His ignored warning:<br /><br />"The priests, the ministers of my son, by their wicked lives, love of money, riches, honors, pleasures & worldly pursuits, have become cesspools of impurity....Vengeance is hanging over their heads".<br /><br />They have made their own noose, by their own words & deeds. <br /><br />Of course, this is but the beginning of sorrows, as when God allows the complete & total destruction of the Vatican & its Administration, the global financial/business/political fallout will send the 'world' into a tailspin. <br /><br />The merchants & kings of the earth who have committed fornication with 'her' will weep....and be made desolate. And all who depend on them. <br /><br />The choice is simple: faith in God alone, or in the 'thing' destroyed in Revelations 17-18. <br /><br />I gently suggest that ppl wakeup...quickly. While there is still time. Those whose loyalty is with what shall be destroyed will be destroyed too....emotionally, mentally, spiritually.<br /><br />Anon Y. MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-49709152344856233052010-04-24T12:25:24.439-06:002010-04-24T12:25:24.439-06:00Ah, yes, it's all about PR: Brave New W...umm...Ah, yes, it's all about PR: <i>Brave New W...umm....Vatican!</i><br /><br />Yes, left is right. And up is down. And there is NO contradiction.... <br /><br />To me it's very simple. Good versus evil. Right versus wrong. The Gospel versus weeds. <br /><br />But we have entered a strange universe, like a hall of mirrors. Where "reality" itself is in question. The Vatican would "control" our perceptions of reality. But we, the educated, now thinking for ourselves, refuse to cede our ability to think, to seek the "fruits" that Jesus said were the indelible marks of his followers.<br /><br /><i>Where are the fruits?</i> <br /><br />LOL!!!!<br /><br /> Oh, yeah, they've been indicted too! <br /><br />(couldn't resist that last one...)TheraPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684120043427738135noreply@blogger.com