tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post6803030924492607742..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: It's More Complicated Than The Freedom From Religion Foundation Seems To Understandcolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-63119351027255289652012-03-13T14:48:44.804-06:002012-03-13T14:48:44.804-06:00That's a question I've wondered myself, ho...That's a question I've wondered myself, how do they determine which parts are literal and which parts are allegorical? I fid this especially confusing when it comes to the Leviticus purity codes. How did they determine out of all those codes which were abominations only the sodomy one is still an abomination. Quite convenient I would say.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-19289050270754602982012-03-12T19:46:14.095-06:002012-03-12T19:46:14.095-06:00There is one point on which the fundamentalist rel...There is one point on which the fundamentalist religionists [Catholic, Christian or otherwise] and the evangelical atheists have in common. They use different tones of voice and expect the single answer totally supportive of a particular point of view; but they ask the same questions about scripture: Why believe some parts are literal and other parts are not? How is the average human supposed to figure out the difference?<br /><br />I find it hilarious that they are so busy talking past each other they can't see they are coming from the same spiritually deprived point in their respective lives. And I find it incredibly sad at the same time. <br />VeronicaT'Pelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14497973041430354008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-79365655773522707852012-03-12T18:18:59.891-06:002012-03-12T18:18:59.891-06:00So it's in the air they breathe so to speak.
...So it's in the air they breathe so to speak.<br /><br />John fAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-6990362611019328062012-03-12T13:14:42.342-06:002012-03-12T13:14:42.342-06:00Those male bishops have had thousands of years of ...Those male bishops have had thousands of years of other male bishops and religious leaders from which to learn their inexcusable discrimination. Hence it's not discrimination, it's the way things have always been. <br /><br />I wonder if the mother thing isn't preeminent because the clerical culture stops them from 'seeing' women as anything other, and after all, the only close intimate relationship they have with a woman is the one they have with their mother. (Theoretically)colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-70932415303670834022012-03-12T12:50:26.072-06:002012-03-12T12:50:26.072-06:00I agree that it is sophomoric.I agree that it is sophomoric.khughes1963https://www.blogger.com/profile/16118365554189078448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-57464060666154352222012-03-12T12:18:51.092-06:002012-03-12T12:18:51.092-06:00What do they have left? Well, the Flying Spaghetti...What do they have left? Well, the Flying Spaghetti Monster I suppose. It is hard not to like a criticism that refers to pew occupants as myrmidons. But, those of us on the inside, she seems somewhat uninformed. Whom does she thinks tithes these days? <br /><br />Nonetheless she does identify my greatest objection to the church as conceived by the bishops, that is, its inexcusable discrimination against women. <br /><br />p2pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-27580527318417865042012-03-12T11:21:30.875-06:002012-03-12T11:21:30.875-06:00Fundamentalists do not need liberals to enable the...Fundamentalists do not need liberals to enable them. They do a good job of that for each other, and they have the USCCB patting them on the back for being fundamentalists.<br /><br />I imagine atheists would have a much more difficult time dealing with Christians who don't take Scripture literally. Take the left brain arguments away and what do they have left to argue?colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-84326983680271041182012-03-12T11:18:01.861-06:002012-03-12T11:18:01.861-06:00I'm not sure I'd classify it as hate speec...I'm not sure I'd classify it as hate speech. I would classify it as somewhat sophomoric in it's condescension and obvious assumption liberal Catholics need help seeing their way past the rhetoric of our bishops, which of course is not the least bit true---except for those who write for Commonweal, America, Micheal Sean Winters and some others at NCR, and EJ Dionne.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-3324705430852890832012-03-12T10:56:44.064-06:002012-03-12T10:56:44.064-06:00Annie Laurie Gaylor makes the same argument I'...Annie Laurie Gaylor makes the same argument I've seen other atheist evangelists make, that the liberal believers are enabling the fundamentalists. I think that's a flaw in the argument she makes. Not only that, but many liberal believers would rightly read the account she gives of Christianity as allegorical rather than literal. Ms. Gaylor makes the mistake of assuming all Christians accept a literal reading of Scripture, which is very far from being the case. Madalyn Murray O'Hair made similar arguments.khughes1963https://www.blogger.com/profile/16118365554189078448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-65554130441762759782012-03-12T08:28:55.524-06:002012-03-12T08:28:55.524-06:00The NY Times ad comes across either as an excuse t...The NY Times ad comes across either as an excuse to spew bigoted hate speech and ridicule towards the Catholic Church, or as a sign of desperation and instability in FFRF: <br />Parody translation of the FFRF ad at:<br />http://sytereitz.com/2012/03/translation-of-ffrf-quit-the-catholic-church-nytimes-ad-or-its-not-easy-being-free-from-religion/Sytehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03255351720644821140noreply@blogger.com