tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post7192600104293548048..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: More On Maciel--Shining Light In Very Dark Cornerscolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-12578373406581633622009-08-19T09:21:56.435-06:002009-08-19T09:21:56.435-06:00Thanks for the clarification, colkoch. You wrote: ...Thanks for the clarification, colkoch. You wrote: "I pray for the day that progressives and conservatives can drop the debates long enough to see the common enemy. That enemy is very wealthy people who use the Church and it's structures for their own interests."<br /><br />Ironically (given the context of the discussion) this is how Fr. Maciel came to be exposed. A handful of Catholics from across the spectrum banded together in the late 90's to bring the abuse to light. Regain was a loose coalition of progressives, conservatives, moderates and even lapsed Catholics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-22076426015013491782009-08-19T06:35:31.799-06:002009-08-19T06:35:31.799-06:00Colleen, you turn out to be exactly right when you...Colleen, you turn out to be exactly right when you say that the right wing is now beginning to question whether JPII should be canonized. <br /><br />Have you see Damian Thompson's blog posting about this at the Tablet in England? And Clerical Whispers picks up that posting today.<br /><br />Interesting development--and one I hadn't anticipated.William D. Lindseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246026074693891965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-27142696185824486882009-08-19T06:30:01.334-06:002009-08-19T06:30:01.334-06:00Anonymous, I can see where you got the impression ...Anonymous, I can see where you got the impression you did, and I apologize for that because it's not my position.<br /><br />The rightwing part of the Church I take exception to is the part that has all the money and more or less runs over all the rest of us. People like Tom Monaghan who seem to get away with creating their own personal version of Catholicism. (See treatment of Fr. Fessio.)<br /><br />I am well aware of traditionalists and conservative who are as furious with the Maciel debacle as I am. It's why I used American Papist as the source for this post.<br /><br />I pray for the day that progressives and conservatives can drop the debates long enough to see the common enemy. That enemy is very wealthy people who use the Church and it's structures for their own interests.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-45316343955756529492009-08-18T15:38:26.092-06:002009-08-18T15:38:26.092-06:00colkoch, it would be a mistake to claim that the e...colkoch, it would be a mistake to claim that the entire Catholic right was uncritical of the Legion. The truth is that a small group of people from across the Catholic spectrum banded together to expose Fr. Maciel, seeking justice for Maciel's victims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-82096594108936060752009-08-18T09:44:41.984-06:002009-08-18T09:44:41.984-06:00Bill, I kind of wonder if the right wing buck bunc...Bill, I kind of wonder if the right wing buck bunch is beginning to think Benedict isn't the man they thought he was going to be--as in totally their man.<br /><br />As to Maciel, where I'be been getting a chuckle is from all the neo con supporters of his, like George Weigel, Mary Ann Glendon, Deal Hudson, Bill Donahue et al, who visciously attacked the Hartford Courant when this story first broke. Must be hard to see through all that egg on their faces.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-91706836816728955562009-08-18T04:17:03.497-06:002009-08-18T04:17:03.497-06:00Colleen, thank you so much for pursuing this story...Colleen, thank you so much for pursuing this story. I like--and shudder at--your observation that money is the voice of the Holy Spirit at the top of the church.<br /><br />The Leadership Conference of Women's Religious is asking who is funding the Vatican "probe" of their religious life. They are right to ask that question.<br /><br />There is a pattern of highly placed wealthy elites calling the shots in the church, through the financial pressures they apply to the Vatican and to bishops. <br /><br />As the LCWR point out, the first announcements of the Vatican probe came in right-wing secular media outlets--indicating inside knowledge and collusion of those folks with this "probe." American religious women had to learn they were under investigation from the secular media--quite a slap in the face to them.<br /><br />I agree with you, too, that JPII's relationship with Maciel (one of knowing complicity) ought to figure in his canonization process. Unless big bucks can buy that process off, of course.William D. Lindseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246026074693891965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-15272218421443147102009-08-17T15:07:38.669-06:002009-08-17T15:07:38.669-06:00giselle, try this link:
http://enlightenedcatholi...giselle, try this link: <br />http://enlightenedcatholicism-colkoch.blogspot.com/2009/04/current-residence-of-fr.html<br /><br />Cardinal Levada is up to his ears in covering up for abusive priests. Many knowledgeable people feel his transfer to Rome was to keep him out of American court rooms and/or American jails.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-89960480881710780052009-08-17T14:20:12.392-06:002009-08-17T14:20:12.392-06:00I've read a lot about this over the years, but...I've read a lot about this over the years, but I've never encountered a substantiated charge about Cardinal Levada. Have I missed something?gisellehttp://life-after-rc.comnoreply@blogger.com