tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post76722647522152930..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: The First Reform Is To End The Corruption And The Hypocrisycolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-18603610243339186362013-03-10T11:59:31.721-06:002013-03-10T11:59:31.721-06:00Me too, very high state, and I know better, that i...Me too, very high state, and I know better, that it's a kind of a trap. It's just so hard to ignore the fact I know this Church is going to implode in the first world if it's just more of the same.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-77483921634400097172013-03-10T11:55:54.600-06:002013-03-10T11:55:54.600-06:00I can probably make something of a case for a cert...I can probably make something of a case for a certain form of gnositicism. I can easily make a case that some of them act as if they are the Catholic version of the Illuminati. Come to think of it, that would be gnostic.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-81352896721950458372013-03-08T14:04:04.863-07:002013-03-08T14:04:04.863-07:00Super quick comment: Opus dei and the like aren...Super quick comment: Opus dei and the like aren't just elitest. They are actually Gnostic movements. I need to ponder this one but I think I'm right.Suevallejonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-23555892892366247792013-03-06T13:50:40.034-07:002013-03-06T13:50:40.034-07:00Colleen - just found this very interesting comment...Colleen - just found this very interesting comment of yours in your December post on Richard Sipes (also in the comments section). Talk about being prescient! I've just referred to your posting at Gay Mystic. <br /><br />I don't think he will retire either, but you never know. There is precedent. If such a thing should happen, it would only be because he knew beforehand who his successor would be.jaydencameronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-4711172498715434682013-03-06T12:01:31.516-07:002013-03-06T12:01:31.516-07:00AGREED! :-)AGREED! :-)TheraPhttp://wisdom4nothing.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-2284966131180302392013-03-06T09:51:18.428-07:002013-03-06T09:51:18.428-07:00Thank you for the analysis of the developing Concl...Thank you for the analysis of the developing Conclave process. I read Joan Chittister's post on the NCR blog also today. What it makes me think is that the Vatican and hierarchy are moving ever faster towards an irrelevancy in the world of faith. The conclave and the next pope seemed headed towards a slow motion self decapitation of the absolutist monarchical structure, and the real leadership and service is being done by regular people, primarily lay people (mostly women) who do the day to day work of service to the parishes and to the poor. Alternative communities of worship and spiritual practice are emerging where persons with spiritual maturity are taking responsibility for their spiritual life and not handing it over to these incompetent and misguided hieararchs in red suits.Pacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-42563897347863024402013-03-06T07:42:25.354-07:002013-03-06T07:42:25.354-07:00Yes, the McHugh comment shows that you can only fo...Yes, the McHugh comment shows that you can only fool some of the people some of the time! McHugh live in reality, not sure Cornwell showed he does in his article, but the amazing thing is that the RCC and the new Pope are forced to face up to an ugly truth that they are responsible for. Because of the terrible things that this leadership has done and continues to do, no thinking Catholic can believe a word it say. dennisrdp46noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-50510353693386265172013-03-05T22:38:34.484-07:002013-03-05T22:38:34.484-07:00I've been trying to figure out if the failing ...I've been trying to figure out if the failing is on my part or that of those leaders. Given the complete lack of transparency in the hierarchy... I'm falling back on the old adage about power and corruption. In the time between Benedict's announcement and his actual retirement, I kept hoping for a sign of good faith on his part in his releasing the report he'd gotten on the investigation. Since he did not release the report, I'm hoping the new pope [whomever that turns out to be] does. At the same time I'm trying to not put the Holy Spirit to the test in the matter. For all I know the report is an empty one. High state of spiritual tension within me over this.<br />Veronicatpel_91noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-58054944257398426312013-03-05T20:56:13.675-07:002013-03-05T20:56:13.675-07:00I had read the Cornwell article over the weekend. ...I had read the Cornwell article over the weekend. There are certain things I agree are possible. Benedict's resignation automatically meant everyone else in the curia had to hand in their resignations. This does leave room for maneuvering for the next pope.<br /><br /><br />I think Benedict is really sick and just ran out of gas. He's lost quite a bit of weight which you can really see in side by side photos of his face from when he was elected and now. I guess the one reason I don't really buy the 'sacrificial pope' story is that he had eight years to rid the Church of Sodano and didn't do it, and now Sodano is running the show. I also thought Dr McHugh's comment was really on target. Benedict's legacy is not pretty and truly hurt many many people. This was a conflicted man who never did seem to figure himself out. He hid his self ignorance behind his intellect, and did no one any favors. Even the trads were in the end very disappointed.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-35968289990884416412013-03-05T20:32:11.875-07:002013-03-05T20:32:11.875-07:00Colleen, You may want to look at what the Associat...Colleen, You may want to look at what the Association of Catholic Priests in Ireland have printed about the reason for Ratzies resignation. It makes some sense but only some. <br /><br />http://www.associationofcatholicpriests.ie/2013/03/gay-sex-rings-the-filth-corrupting-the-vatican-and-why-the-pope-really-quit/rdp46noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-26125172717495290712013-03-05T18:53:43.788-07:002013-03-05T18:53:43.788-07:00"We as a people are so much better than this ..."We as a people are so much better than this and the Faith is infinitely <br />better. Why does it seem so impossible for that improvement to be <br />reflected in the character of the leaders 'electing' the new pope?"<br /><br /><br />Really powerful truth here Veronica. Why is this I wonder?colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-86415026559890455692013-03-05T18:34:16.717-07:002013-03-05T18:34:16.717-07:00I truly wish some of them would grow up.I truly wish some of them would grow up.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-27085340478994892272013-03-05T18:33:04.544-07:002013-03-05T18:33:04.544-07:00If I can't laugh about this I'll just get ...If I can't laugh about this I'll just get way too depressed.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-66738522299988927812013-03-05T18:32:33.548-07:002013-03-05T18:32:33.548-07:00Ganswein is still slated to be the Prefect of the ...Ganswein is still slated to be the Prefect of the Papal Household with the authority to determine who sees the Pope in consultation with the Secretary of State. He has got to go.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-50861914841007940772013-03-05T18:31:20.455-07:002013-03-05T18:31:20.455-07:00So far that's certainly true Dennis.So far that's certainly true Dennis.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-2877200139162577232013-03-05T18:30:59.539-07:002013-03-05T18:30:59.539-07:00To be honest Claire, I had a very powerful vision ...To be honest Claire, I had a very powerful vision back right before the abuse crisis exploded in which I was shown a great deal of the corruption infesting the Vatican and how that impacted the collective spiritual health of Catholicism. That vision has fueled a great deal of what I deal with on the blog. I have spent the intervening years doing a lot of research.<br /><br />The corruption has many tentacles but it makes the incredibly beautiful Catholic collective energy look like marbled icecream. In other words it taints everything it touches because it's source is in the hierarchy and the clerical system. Cleaning it up is going to be very tough. It is doable, but it's going to take a collective desire to see it done on the part of the laity. As T'pel says below, the collective Church is far better than our leadership.<br /><br /><br /><br />I have watched things unfold utterly fascinated as one thread after another is exposed. There is more yet to come, and yet, it's been mind blowing to see how much really has been exposed in just the last decade--and especially recently.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-87265984143637960472013-03-05T18:21:31.689-07:002013-03-05T18:21:31.689-07:00Yes, but we still have the right to ask our mother...Yes, but we still have the right to ask our mother to clean her act up--before she gets too old and decrepit to do it.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-53724247566368723202013-03-05T18:20:36.227-07:002013-03-05T18:20:36.227-07:00Thanks Bill. I really do believe the elitist Cath...Thanks Bill. I really do believe the elitist Catholics have done a great deal of damage to Catholicism in the first world. I never have understood why they have the burning need to turn the entire Church into their particular brand of Catholic expression. Besides, if they ever managed to do that they couldn't be elite in their own minds.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-12764452202354493472013-03-05T18:19:05.940-07:002013-03-05T18:19:05.940-07:00I guess we'll see. I personally real reform w...I guess we'll see. I personally real reform would necessitate moving the spiritual center out of Rome and ending the Holy See or turning the whole mess over to the laity. How many priests are wasted in jobs laity could do? I bet there's close to 800. Declericalizing the curia would free up lots of priests and put a major damper on careerism.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-82825411265260438372013-03-05T18:15:30.326-07:002013-03-05T18:15:30.326-07:00White noise is a good description. I really did t...White noise is a good description. I really did try to think about what I wanted and realized what I really wanted was change in what I didn't want.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-80717886257573882832013-03-05T18:14:20.319-07:002013-03-05T18:14:20.319-07:00Kathy, Sodano must know too much because that'...Kathy, Sodano must know too much because that's got to be the only reason he is still around.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-27652665395563291742013-03-05T18:13:37.192-07:002013-03-05T18:13:37.192-07:00My daughter said the same thing the other night. O...My daughter said the same thing the other night. Only she thinks the Vatican should employ the script writers for Downtown Abbey and maybe the plot lines would improve.colkochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-62335851332180754762013-03-05T13:48:45.823-07:002013-03-05T13:48:45.823-07:00I sure can see it as exactly this with one very im...I sure can see it as exactly this with one very important difference. I watch Downton Abbey and find engaging albeit escapist entertainment. I watch what little of the Conclave unfold I allow myself and find a certain amount of despair. We as a people are so much better than this and the Faith is infinitely better. Why does it seem so impossible for that improvement to be reflected in the character of the leaders 'electing' the new pope?tpel_91noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-1835030544928583632013-03-05T11:26:22.877-07:002013-03-05T11:26:22.877-07:00Does anyone get the feeling that watching the Conc...Does anyone get the feeling that watching the Conclave unfold is like viewing Downton Abbey? Elaborate stage settings, complex scripts and the marvelous costumes! The actors say their lines perfectly, nobody goes out of character, or rarely...the Cardinal O'Brien event was clearly off script, and treated that way, "we don't want to talk about that anymore." People inside and out love it. Even the media are invested in the "series," whole lives built around the basic characters, heroes and villains...How is it possible to even imagine substantive change coming from this production? I wish I could imagine it.r1c10noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-74835417381504137822013-03-05T11:20:23.727-07:002013-03-05T11:20:23.727-07:00From your mouth to God's ears, especially the ...From your mouth to God's ears, especially the part about the need to disengage Opus Dei, Legion of Christ, Focolare, Neocatechumenate Way, and Communion and Liberation and the other elitist groups. We don't need more fascism in the church.khughes1963noreply@blogger.com