tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post8113186842360306156..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: Reprise: The Winds Of Changecolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-25499082104082316772009-03-25T08:44:00.000-06:002009-03-25T08:44:00.000-06:00One last thought John. I can see where for contin...One last thought John. I can see where for continuity and longevity there is a need for an institutional structure. I disagree with how the structure has come to operate over the centuries.<BR/><BR/>We seem to have sacrificed a willingness to engage in discernment for the safety of creeping infallibility. That to me denies the influence of the Holy Spirit and one of the key Spiritual gifts, which is discernment.<BR/><BR/>PS, I think women had a whole lot more to do with one billion Catholics than our celibate leadership. It was Catholic women who agreed to have and raise the children necessary for those figures.<BR/><BR/>Or to paraphrase Carl above. It was women working with in their own creativity which manifested the material for which the celibate clergy exercises power over. No women no church.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-85236342890815381082009-03-24T22:46:00.000-06:002009-03-24T22:46:00.000-06:00Thank you for your responses. One thing I do very ...Thank you for your responses. One thing I do very much appreciate is your willingness to give the Holy Father some credit, which is more than many will do. Having read deeper into your blog, I also appreciate your integrity in leaving the Church. I cannot imagine what that must be like, but recognize and honor your integrity in doing so. I will continue to read your interesting posts, but ultimately, yes, I think we disagree on what the Church actually is. I honor that clerical structure that drives you crazy, because it is exactly what has kept the Church going for 2,000 years, and allowed it to increase to over a billion souls (a miracle, I would say!) Cheers, JohnJohn the Converthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01102648045228790648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-84118855498950570392009-03-24T10:04:00.000-06:002009-03-24T10:04:00.000-06:00John, I didn't write that the winds of change were...John, I didn't write that the winds of change were blowing against the Church. I wrote they were blowing through human consciousness.<BR/><BR/>I truly believe the Holy Spirit protects the Church, but I suspect our definition of Church is different.<BR/><BR/>As to Pope Benedict's view of the Church, that's where I get confused. Some of his theology is flat brilliant, but then he will turn around and contradict the best of his own thinking when it comes to justifying the clerical system.<BR/><BR/>It maybe that he doesn't see it as a contradiction because he's an integral part of the clerical system, but I see it as contradictory precisely because I'm not a part of the clerical system. I'm part of the mystical system and in that system all are equal.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-7555164636443641842009-03-23T19:24:00.000-06:002009-03-23T19:24:00.000-06:00Yes John, the Holy Spirit does protect the church,...Yes John, the Holy Spirit does protect the church, but ... the Holy Spirit manifests itself through people. <BR/><BR/>John 14:12 is very clear: "Very truly, I tell you, the one who believes in me will also do the works that I do and, in fact, will do greater works than these, because I am going to the Father"<BR/><BR/>If indeed, the Holy Spirit was guiding the RCC Leadership, wouldnt we see them performing the miracles that Jesus performed? The scripture is very clear. <BR/><BR/>Why is it that we do not see the miracles being performed by the Magisterial Authorities?COL55https://www.blogger.com/profile/07057765287988790129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-91648046439385762122009-03-23T15:53:00.000-06:002009-03-23T15:53:00.000-06:00But the winds of change have been blowing against ...But the winds of change have been blowing against the Church for hundreds of years, including pagan winds such as you describe, and still she stands. Do you not believe that the Holy Spirit protects the Church from error? Why should I follow your vision, and not the Pope's? I might as well join the Protestant congregation down the street and follow that preacher's 'personal revelation', no?John the Converthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01102648045228790648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-9615809658146182822009-03-22T23:37:00.000-06:002009-03-22T23:37:00.000-06:00Carl, I knew it!word is anons - so much for anonym...Carl, I knew it!<BR/><BR/>word is anons - so much for anonymousbutterflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684946870144030594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-23951222220731243542009-03-22T12:12:00.000-06:002009-03-22T12:12:00.000-06:00Yes, you are correct, that is me.Yes, you are correct, that is me.COL55https://www.blogger.com/profile/07057765287988790129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-13293714756473450202009-03-22T10:09:00.000-06:002009-03-22T10:09:00.000-06:00Carl, I'm guessing you are DGF on the NCR, and if ...Carl, I'm guessing you are DGF on the NCR, and if you are, I want to tell you your analysis of Benedict's assessment of African Witchcraft was brilliant. I will post my own thoughts on this speech on Monday.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-31032680194267493852009-03-22T10:07:00.000-06:002009-03-22T10:07:00.000-06:00Nice explanation Carl of the difference between po...Nice explanation Carl of the difference between power and creation. I wish I would have written it myself.<BR/><BR/>Joe, sometimes I wonder if the reason we have such a top down Christology is that people just don't get what John meant in 1:14. We should stop trying to theologically define that which transecends definition. The Word is and that's all we need to know.<BR/>That's why I think any real insight into this phenomenon of Christ the Word is, will come from quantum physics and not theology. End of heretical commenting for today.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-24198068733670822512009-03-21T16:00:00.000-06:002009-03-21T16:00:00.000-06:00Here at a Lotus Sutra Seminar in Hawaii I more and...Here at a Lotus Sutra Seminar in Hawaii I more and more see that the top-down Christology is a huge blockage. We must read John 1:14. In the life, ministry, teachings, death and ongoing pneumatic life of Jesus the divine Word is spoken into human history. No need to add any topheavy speculations to that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-40425332625619659772009-03-21T13:06:00.000-06:002009-03-21T13:06:00.000-06:00"there is nothing for the male agent to exert powe..."there is nothing for the male agent to exert power over <BR/>unless the female agent creates that something"<BR/><BR/>I had a conversation this week with a young woman I am mentoring. She asked the question:<BR/><BR/>"why am I having so much problem manifesting certain things, and others just happen without me doing anything?<BR/><BR/>Your comment speaks succintly to the heart of the answer I gave her. I told her that the time to "make something happen" is when you have a deadline and must produce a given quantity of products. That is when one properly "exerts power". <BR/><BR/>Otherwise, simply create the intention, release it in faith, and trust that the universe will guide you to be in the right place at the right time with the right awareness etc. As you said "use the creative feminine, which I read as being the same as the power of intention that Wayne Dwyer teaches.<BR/><BR/>A short story, that illustrates your point:<BR/><BR/>Last fall, I set an intention to have a wall full of deer antlers, WITHOUT killing any. As of today, there are 9 (interesting number) "sets" on the wall or in process of mounting. <BR/><BR/>The intention was the feminine creative agent, guiding me to be in the right place at the right time. The masculine was the exertion of several hundred miles of wandering through deep woods. Interesting side bar, on the days I tried to "make it happen" I found nothing. On the days I allowed the creative power to guide me, I would literally walk in a straight line right to them or find them by stepping on them.<BR/><BR/>As you pointed out, this is a power that does not come from obedience to authority, nor from the intervention of a higher "human" authority. This is the power within each and every one of us. This is what I believe Jesus meant in John 14:12:<BR/><BR/>"Very truly, I tell you, the one who believes in me will also do the works that I do and, in fact, will do greater works than these, because I am going to the Father."COL55https://www.blogger.com/profile/07057765287988790129noreply@blogger.com