tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post8151966452478653023..comments2023-08-21T03:51:17.425-06:00Comments on Enlightened Catholicism: A Cardinal Takes On Fundamentalist Thinkingcolkochhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-78230939287886895222013-02-17T13:14:10.359-07:002013-02-17T13:14:10.359-07:00Just saw this today doing a search of Ravasi, now ...Just saw this today doing a search of Ravasi, now in the significant spotlight of preaching the Pope's Lenten retreat. Interesting! And then there's Cardinal Dom João Braz de Aviz, current Prefect for the Congregation for the Institutes of Consecrated Life and the Societies of Apostolic Life (http://iglesiadescalza.blogspot.cz/)jaydencameronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-26291565558479294872012-05-26T15:16:31.514-06:002012-05-26T15:16:31.514-06:00"However, a Vatican cardinal who has been lea..."However, a Vatican cardinal who has been leading a global initiative engaging Catholics, atheists and agnostics in dialogue said when Catholics are well-formed in their faith they have nothing to fear from listening to opposing views."<br /><br />## This STM to be just right & very well said. There is - to say the least evidence for this approach in the past - see the Book of Acts. It is also evidence of the breadth of sympathies that is evidence of the Church's catholicity. The Church should not & need not be defensive.Rat-biternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-81605731536581232512012-05-20T13:55:58.541-06:002012-05-20T13:55:58.541-06:00I foster "fear, hate and nonsense"?
I d...I foster "fear, hate and nonsense"?<br /><br />I don't know what planet you're living on...but I think it's safe to say, it's time you came back down to earth.<br /><br />What I say here (and what I do in the life I live) is much, much more ordinary than that.Invictus_88https://www.blogger.com/profile/03446202385252763436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-40238276977148415232012-05-20T13:51:40.780-06:002012-05-20T13:51:40.780-06:00Seriously? Don't de-rail things here! Go and p...Seriously? Don't de-rail things here! Go and post your response under the relevant blog post, surely?Invictus_88https://www.blogger.com/profile/03446202385252763436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-78383594846366236312012-05-14T04:33:42.470-06:002012-05-14T04:33:42.470-06:00This all brings home the point that the various va...This all brings home the point that the various vatican Academies of Science are not at all committed to the search for truth but to the authoritarian idea that truth is already known. There is no belief in the scientific method. All academic institutions and universities that would go along with Vatican authoritarian ideas and or instruction can no longer be seen as Universities but as institutes of catechesis not instructed in the search for truth but only interested in the obedience to an authoritarian mind set in the Vatican. This is one of the recipes for the current implosion in the Vatican as an institution that has no wish to serve truth. It is anti academic and any institution that wises to be a creditable source for God’s truth will not be able to associate with such a structure. It is indeed a sad day when catechesis means an indoctrination like that the Soviet Union was accused. This is an indoctrination of manipulation and an attempt at mind control having nothing to do with truthful interaction but everything to do with authoritarian power control and it has at its root the fear of loss of resources and position or should we say a leadership full of greed and envy. <br /><br />It is past time for those who would follow The Way of Christ to say no to this Opus Dei model of disaster and to those such as the Inviticus’ of this world who foster such fear, hate and nonsense.<br /><br />I have long ago seen conclusive evidence for the current Vatican implosion and this is more evidence. Of course the greater evidence is that the RCC can not keep securely in its ranks educated cradle catholics. <br /><br />The bishops that enabled rape and continue to show hate for women are indeed another fully imploding part created inside RCC hierarchy. <br /><br />It is the responsibility of that part of the People of God mostly the laity but also religious like the nuns in the US and educated (not indoctrinated) priests throughout the world to powerfully resist the fundamentalism and implosion of the leadership. What the Vatican has now become is noting other than a museum of non tolerance of valid new ideas. There is nothing holy or authoritative left. <br />dennisrdp46https://www.blogger.com/profile/04427786268228285222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-27700625185852529422012-05-13T18:19:19.011-06:002012-05-13T18:19:19.011-06:00Here are the pertinent parts of crimens sollicitat...Here are the pertinent parts of crimens sollicitationis take directly from the Vatican's own website:<br /><br />11. Since, however, in dealing with these causes, more than usual care and concern must be shown that they be treated with the utmost confidentiality, and that, once decided and the decision executed, they are covered by permanent silence (Instruction of the Holy Office, 20 February 1867, No. 14), all those persons in any way associated with the tribunal, or knowledgeable of these matters by reason of their office, are bound to observe inviolably the strictest confidentiality, commonly known as the secret of the Holy Office, in all things and with all persons, under pain of incurring automatic excommunication, ipso facto and undeclared, reserved to the sole person of the Supreme Pontiff, excluding even the Sacred Penitentiary. Ordinaries are bound by this same law , that is, in virtue of their own office; other personnel are bound in virtue of the oath which they are always to swear before assuming their duties; and, finally, those delegated, questioned or informed [outside the tribunal], are bound in virtue of the precept to be imposed on them in the letters of delegation, inquiry or information, with express mention of the secret of the Holy Office and of the aforementioned censure.<br /><br />12. The oath mentioned above, whose formula is found in the Appendix of this Instruction (Form A), is to be taken – once for all by those who are appointed habitually, but each and every time by those who are deputed only for a single item of business or cause – in the presence of the Ordinary or his delegate, on the Holy Gospels of God (including priests) and not in any other way, together with an additional promise faithfully to carry out their duties; the aforementioned excommunication does not, however, extend to the latter. Care must be taken by those presiding over these causes that no one, including the tribunal personnel, come to knowledge of matters except to the extent that their role or task necessarily demands it.<br /><br />13. The oath to maintain confidentiality must always be taken in these causes, also by the accusers or complainants and the witnesses. These persons, however, are subject to no censure, unless they were expressly warned of this in the proceedings of accusation, deposition or questioning. The Defendant is to be most gravely admonished that he too must maintain confidentiality with respect to all persons, apart from his advocate, under the penalty of suspension a divinis, to be incurred ipso facto in the event of a violation.<br /><br />14. Finally, as to the drawing up of the acts , the language used, and their confirmation, safekeeping and possible nullity, the respective prescriptions of Canons 1642-43, 379-80-81-82 and 1680 are to be fully followed.<br /><br />So Invictus, CS which is derived from, and cites numerous Canons directly contradicts not just the laws of most western countries on reporting crimes against minors, it violates a number of passages in the New Testament.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-76442811716124429712012-05-13T16:16:43.549-06:002012-05-13T16:16:43.549-06:00http://enlightenedcatholicism-colkoch.blogspot.co....http://enlightenedcatholicism-colkoch.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/mistaking-myth-for-reality.html<br />And did you find that evidence yet, Colkoch?Invictus_88https://www.blogger.com/profile/03446202385252763436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8383701632927065467.post-45181162317993780722012-05-13T15:54:45.201-06:002012-05-13T15:54:45.201-06:00As much as it's pre-emptive to begin hypothesi...As much as it's pre-emptive to begin hypothesising the identity of the next pope, Ravasi does seem pretty good.Invictus_88https://www.blogger.com/profile/03446202385252763436noreply@blogger.com