VATICAN CITY, MARCH 3, 2009 (Zenit.org).- Following a Lenten tradition, Benedict XVI met last Thursday with parish priests and clergy of the Diocese of Rome for a question-and-answer session. Here is a translation of the first question and the Holy Father's answer.Holy Father, I am Father Gianpiero Palmieri, pastor of St. Frumenzio ai Prati Fiscali parish. I would like to ask you a question on the evangelizing mission of the Christian community and, in particular, on the role and formation of priests within this evangelizing mission. To explain myself, I will start with a personal experience. When I was a young priest, I began my pastoral service in a parish and school; I felt strong because of the weight of my studies and the formation received, well affirmed in the realm of my convictions of the systems of thought. A believing and wise woman, seeing me in action, shook her head smiling and said to me: "Father Gianpiero, when will you wear long pants, when will you be a man?" It was an incident that remained engraved in my heart.
That wise woman was trying to explain to me that life, the real world, God himself, are greater and more surprising than the concepts we elaborate. She was inviting me to listen to the human to try to understand, to comprehend, without being in a hurry to judge. She was asking me to learn how to enter into relationship with reality, without fears, because reality is inhabited by Christ himself who acts mysteriously in his Spirit.
In face of the evangelizing mission today, we priests feel unprepared and inadequate, always with short pants. Whether under the cultural aspect -- detailed knowledge of the great guidelines of contemporary thought escapes us, in its positivity and its limits -- or, especially, under the human aspect. We run the risk of being too schematic, incapable of knowing in a wise way the heart of the men of today. Is not the proclamation of salvation in Jesus also the proclamation of the new man Jesus, Son of God, in which our poor humanity is redeemed, made genuine, transformed by God?
Therefore, this is my question: do you share these thoughts? Many people wounded by life come to our Christian communities. What venues and ways can we invent to help others' humanity in the encounter with Jesus? And how can we priests construct a beautiful and fruitful humanity? Thank you, Your Holiness.
[Benedict XVI:]..........(Opening paragraphs have been deleted in the interests of longevity. Full translation can be read here.)
We are together so that you can tell me your experiences, your sufferings, also your successes and joys. Therefore, I wouldn't say that the oracle speaks here, to whom you ask questions. We are, rather, in a family exchange, in which it is very important for me to know, through you, life in the parishes, your experiences with the Word of God in the context of our world today. I also would like to learn, to come close to the reality, of which in the Apostolic Palace one is also a bit removed. And this is also the limit of my answers. You live in direct contact, day by day, with today's world; I live in diversified contacts, which are very useful. (I think most of us would completely agree with that analysis.)
In this sense, I am essentially in agreement with you: It is not enough to preach or to do pastoral work with the precious cargo acquired in theology studies. This is important, it is essential, but it must be personalized: from academic knowledge, which we have learned and also reflected upon, in a personal vision of my life, in order to reach other people. In this sense, I would like to say that it is important, on one hand, to make the great word of the faith concrete with our personal experience of faith, in our meeting with our parishioners, but also to not lose its simplicity. (One also has to be very careful that it isn't made so simplistic that people blow you off as being totally irrelevant.)
Naturally, great words of the tradition -- such as sacrifice of expiation, redemption of Christ's sacrifice, original sin -- are incomprehensible as such today. We cannot simply work with great formulas, [although] truths, without putting them in the context of today's world. Through study and what the masters of theology and our personal experience with God tell us, we must translate these great words, so that they enter into the proclamation of God to the man of today. (This goes to the heart of Fr. Palmieri's question, and I don't think this is the answer he was looking for, precisely because atonement theology is becoming more and more incomprehensible to thinking and feeling people.)
And, on the other hand, I would say that we must not conceal the simplicity of the Word of God in valuations that are too heavy for human approaches. I remember a friend who, after hearing homilies with long anthropological reflections in order to bring others near the Gospel, said: But I am not interested in these approaches, I want to understand what the Gospel says! And it seems to me that often instead of long summaries of approaches, it would be better to say -- I did so when I was still in my normal life: I don't like this Gospel, we are the opposite of what the Lord says! But what does it mean? If I say sincerely that at first glance I am not in agreement, I already have their attention: It is understood that I would like, as a man of today, to understand what the Lord is saying. Thus we can, without circumlocution, enter fully into the Word.
And we must also keep in mind, free of false simplifications, that the Twelve Apostles were fishermen, artisans, of the province of Galilee, without special preparation, without knowledge of the great Greek and Latin worlds. And yet they went to all the places of the Empire, even outside of it, to India, and proclaimed Christ with simplicity, with the force of simplicity of what is true. And this also seems important to me: Let us not lose the simplicity of the truth. God exists and he is not a distant, hypothetical being, rather, he is close, he has spoken to us, he has spoken to me. And so we say simply what it is and how naturally it should be explained and developed. However, we must not lose the awareness that we do not propose reflections, we do not propose a philosophy, but rather the simple proclamation of the God who has acted, and who has also acted with me.
And then, in regard to the Roman cultural context, which is absolutely necessary, I would say that the first assistance is our personal experience. We don't live on the moon. I am a man of this time if I live my faith sincerely in today's culture, being one who lives with today's media, with dialogues, with the realities of the economy, with everything; if I myself take seriously my own experience and try to personalize these realities in myself. Thus we'll be on the way to making ourselves understood also by others. St. Bernard of Clairvaux said in his book of reflections to his disciple, Pope Eugene: "Try to drink from your own fount, that is, from your own humanity."
If you are sincere with yourself and you begin to see in yourself what faith is, with your human experience in this time, drinking from your own well, as St. Bernard says, you can also say to others what must be said. And in this sense it seems important to me to be really attentive to today's world, but also to be attentive to the Lord in oneself: eternal message into a current message. to be a man of this time and at the same time a believer in Christ, who in himself transforms the eternal message into a current message.
And who knows the men of today better than the parish priest? The sacristy is not in the world, but in the parish. And there, to the pastor, men often come normally, without a mask, without other pretexts, but in situations of suffering, infirmity, death, family issues. They come to the confessional unmasked, with their own being. It seems to me that no other profession gives this possibility of knowing man as he is in his humanity, and not in the role he has in society. In this sense, we can really study man in his depth, far from his roles, and we ourselves also learn about the human being, to be a man in the school of Christ. In this sense, I would say that it is absolutely important to know man, the man of today, in ourselves and in others, but always in attentive listening to the Lord and accepting in myself the seed of the Word, because in me it is transformed into wheat and is able to be communicated to others. (First off, any therapist worth their salt, knows men and women as well as, or better than, any parish priest. Secondly Benedict's concepts translate into 'priests' are better interpreters of the Gospel than any lay person could possibly be, because in them it is "transformed into wheat and is able to be communicated to others.)
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I thought Fr. Palmieri's question was brilliant, and I don't know if it's the translation, but I find Benedict's reasoning is difficult for me to follow. I also know the written word often times does not convey the intent of the spoken word. However, that's not going to stop me from commenting on Benedict's answer.
Read in black and white Benedict seems to be saying that the priesthood by it's special nature makes priests far better judges of men and witnesses for the Gospel than laity. (I'm assuming Benedict meant the totality of laity, because the word women is never used.) I found this very interesting in that Fr. Palmieri specifically cites the wise advice of a woman and how much of an impact that had on his thinking. In essence she gently suggested he quit acting like a teenager who thinks they have all the answers and grow up.
In his own gentle way, Benedict spends quite a bit of time denying most of the reality of the wise woman's advice. Priests are not boys in short pants. If they take themselves seriously, they are providers of the simplicity of the Gospel founded on the profound thinking of previous theologians and Fathers of the Church. In reflecting on their academic training and their own experience, priests can become universal fonts of wisdom. No need for wise women. Sigh.
In his question Fr. Pamieri asks the following:
"We run the risk of being too schematic, incapable of knowing in a wise way the heart of the men of today. Is not the proclamation of salvation in Jesus also the proclamation of the new man Jesus, Son of God, in which our poor humanity is redeemed, made genuine, transformed by God?"
Fr. Palmieri's question goes directly to one of the questions I have about Catholic Christology. Should we not be teaching the message of the Risen Christ. Isn't the Resurrection the advent of the New Man in which our humanity is redeemed, made genuine, and transformed. Isn't that the end point of all of Jesus's teaching, the transformation on this earth of mankind? Apparently not, because Benedict reinforces atonement theology when he says:
"Naturally, great words of the tradition -- such as sacrifice of expiation, redemption of Christ's sacrifice, original sin -- are incomprehensible as such today. We cannot simply work with great formulas, [although] truths, without putting them in the context of today's world. Through study and what the masters of theology and our personal experience with God tell us, we must translate these great words, so that they enter into the proclamation of God to the man of today."
I don't know that Benedict has ever been clearer in what he expects his clergy to teach. He wants them to continue to teach concepts which he freely admits are 'incomprehensible as such today' and he expects clergy to use thinking from past ages and their own experience to make them comprehensible. He may be more a bit more removed in his Apostolic Palace than he thinks he is. (Just an observation.)
There is one other thing Fr. Palmieri stated that also peaked my interest:
She was asking me to learn how to enter into relationship with reality, without fears, because reality is inhabited by Christ himself who acts mysteriously in his Spirit.
Jesus taught a lot about right relationship and very little about sinful acts. Right relationship interestingly, is the best definition we have for what happens in the quantum universe. Atoms and molecules are not discrete particles mindlessly acting on Newtonian laws of physics. They are actually in relationship with each other and can change from wave to particle. That is the true basis for our reality, constant transformation and right relationship. It is mysterious and it is organized by a force one could call a variant of love. Fear and it's off spring hate, are disorganizing principles because they preclude right relationships. Jesus knew all about fear and hate. He constantly upbraided His disciples for wallowing in fear and attempting to exclude others.
Atonement theology is all about fear, and what makes it most insidious, is it teaches us to actually fear the God of love. No wonder it's incomprehensible to modern man. Modern man is proving in all kinds of different scientific endeavors that the grease of the universe really is love.
Personally, I hope Benedict heard the wisdom of the woman Fr. Palmieri quoted because she's on to real truth. Unfortunately for her she's not an exalted Father of the Church. She's just a wise mother in the Church.
"That wise woman was trying to explain to me that life, the real world, God himself, are greater and more surprising than the concepts we elaborate. She was inviting me to listen to the human to try to understand, to comprehend, without being in a hurry to judge. She was asking me to learn how to enter into relationship with reality, without fears, because reality is inhabited by Christ himself who acts mysteriously in his Spirit."
ReplyDeleteI wonder what this priest thinks of Benedict's answer?
One of the benefits of being "converted" to catholicism is the absent of the youthful indoctrination of catholic schools. The negative side of that is that there is so much of the richness of catholicism that I have missed. The positive side is, I can think and make decisions for myself.
ReplyDeleteAs I read each of the posts and responses, I learn new aspects of catholicism. In spite of all of the ugliness and corruption that permeates the leadership and the headlines, there truly is a richness that is worth preserving, there is a richness that deserves to be nurtured. Whether it will survive the efforts of the "faithful orthodox" to destroy it is uncertain, but there are many hopeful signs.
I think that Benedict's response to the priest is inadequate and as Colleen has said he is overlooking a profession that is in the mental health field and they know the stories that their patients tell them that often are wounds from their childhood that have never healed. To deny this profession of psychotherapist and social workers who deal with people on a very deep level is not wise of Pope Benedict to do.
ReplyDeleteThe Pope needs to come out of his bubble that has long affected the ability of the Popes to provide a balanced leadership for the entire Body of Christ.
Carl, the frustrating thing for me is the Faithful Orthodox miss out on so much of the richness and nuance of the Church.
ReplyDeleteHistorically it really has been a big tent with lots of divergent opinions whose central act of unity was the Mass and by extension the parish community.
The thing that is frightening to me is the current division and it's subsequent discourse are so freaking toxic. This idea that Catholicism boils down to your adherence to one doctrine-abortion-is obscene and indicates a total lack of how the Church Fathers understood membership in the Church.
That is summed up in the Nicene creed, not in morality or liturgical preferences. Oh well, it's not like Catholicism hasn't had this state of affairs before. Maybe this time though, we won't have any actual blood letting.
Collen: Did you happen to read the latest Kryon post?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.kryon.com/k_channel08_staugustine.html
If you havent, I believe it would be worth the time. This one has a lot to say about the current state of the church.
My verification word is "cling". In other words, hang on.
What I find most disturbing about the current division is that there is so much venom being spewed by those who are claiming to be the "faithful orthodox", and the clergy has been silent about it. The same way they were silent about the hate rhetoric that was sprayed by the Republican party during the election.
ReplyDeleteIn my world silence = agreement.
When is the leadership of the RCC going to wake up and start taking a stand against hate in all forms?